Posted on 11/13/2004 6:05:41 AM PST by cpforlife.org
You may need for that to be true, but it's not.
Interesting thread..however..most of the comments ignore the difference between politcal conservatives and what we may term moral absolute pro-lifers..They are not necessarily incompatible in their desire..but the methodologies differ dramatically... Assume that W gets to put three conservative judges on the SC tomorrow..all of whom are staunchly pro-life. Roe would be overturned..but not on moral grounds, that abortion is a crime...rather that Roes was bad law..finding a "right" that didn't exist in the Consitution..and it would sent the question of abortion back to the several states, for the legistatures to decide..
Yeah, but where will they take their votes? I mean really, what do they gain? By allowing their mortal enemies to get into power by not voting, do they really think that their agenda will be advanced? I hate to be redundant, but lasting change does not come through threats, and alienating those who are not as passionate as you. Take a more positive approach and try to change hearts and minds first and the change will come over time. It took decades for the civil rights movement to effect real change. The threats and scare tactics proved to be more of a hinderance then anything else.
Thanks Brother!
I'm trying to learn this from scratch so this source will help.
My question is with the majority we will have next session, why won't they exercise Article III, Section II and tell Federal Courts to cease review of abortion cases and allow State Courts to adjudicate the matter?!!
Don't be so prissy, EV. You know very well I was referring to a statement Jeff made.
Policies based on (flawed) exit polling are suspect, imho. Better to remain true to principle.
Michael Barone was right in 2000; he was right in 2002; and I'm willing to bet he's right in 2004.
You may call him flawed because it doesn't jive with your agenda, but you do so at the risk of undercutting your argument.
Michael Barone is one of the most respected political "statisticians" in this day and age.
Look, the Dem's are dying, the GOP ought to dominate political life for the next decade. BUT, if the GOP isn't careful, it will break in two. Ask the Whigs.
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My need has nothing to do with it.
Toss the prolifers and the Republican Coalition is finished.
Read the history of the Whigs. The parallels are amazing.
And what makes you think they are not? Just because they aren't talking about it 24/7?
And as far as Roe v. Wade, I have my doubts about whether it will be repealed -- ever; and even if it were to be appealed today, states have the right to make their own laws; abortion will never go away.
You should expend as much time changing the hearts of women as you do trashing the GOP. Or maybe even more.
Another thing what I find distate is that the unappeaseables attack people who argee with them. For example, there are constant whinings about Richard Burr and Liddy Dole not being conservative enough for them. This went on even though Jesse Helms endorsed them both. I guess they liked John Edwards representing them.
Exactly.
Are there actually any numbers on this, or is it your opinion?
I know a lot of people who wouldn't personally have an abortion, but think other people should be allowed to make up their own minds.
[I'm not asking for a discussion on whether those people are correct or not, just saying that they exist.]
If you ever figure that out, let me know.
Go ahead then, marginalize your FRiends, act on very suspect polling (btw, I'm sure Mr. Barone would tell you that, statistically speaking, his past performance means nothing wrt his future abilities - he'd also tell you polling is changing as is the demography) and go left on life, if that is what you advocate. Me, my house, we will follow Our Lord. If the GOP earns our vote, they will get it. If they betray their stated principles, they lose. Ask Geo. Nethercutt what happens when you betray your base.
I'm pro-war on terror, pro-social security reform, pro-immigration reform, pro-permanent tax cut, pro-tort reform and pro-life; but I detest multi issue voters who constantly DEMAND that their multiple views be put in front of stopping the holocaust of abortion or even slowing it down. I detest being told to sit in the back of the bus and to shut up. I detest being told that my contributions to the party are only begrudgingly tolerated. I detest being told that I either support the not-so-pro-life candidate of the moment or I'll end up with Hillary Clinton. I detest that my vote is taken for granted. I detest being told by my local GOP party chairman that I can't be the local party's volunteer webmaster (putting up only what the chairman approves) primarily because "some Republicans aren't a pro-life as you are" or that my email address which would not have been published on the website (mormondad@hotmail.com) might offend some Republicans.
If you had read some of my previous posts you will see that I disagreed with the tactic employed by CPforLife as the basis for this thread. However, that doesn't mean that I accept for one instant the treatment that we who wish to defend life receive at the hands of the Party. If it looked much like the Party was actually going to do something about this ongoing holocaust we wouldn't have people like CPforLife so upset.
We're right at the cusp of actually being able to overturn Roe v. Wade yet we're STILL having a discussion of whether we should do it or whether we should let someone like Specter - who holds Roe v. Wade inviolate - to hold one of the most powerful positions in affecting whether it can be overturned. We're not going to have this chance again for at least a decade. Bush's judicial appointments are going to be far reaching. CPforLife actually has somewhat of a point - a warning and less a threat - that if Bush and the Republicans goof this up and somehow we end up with pro-abortion judicial appointments - the simple fact is that the disenfranchised pro-life voter will stay home next time around. Not out of spite, but out of frustration. Whether that means anything to you or the Party is up to you and the Party. You can pretend all you want that you don't need that voting bloc, but you and I both know that you do.
It's kinda hard to avoid spliting the party up when some of us are playing the same "do what I say or else" game as the nincompoop libs are playing! you'd think we'd learn from the their example.
Nice try at changing the subject, EV.
We're not talking about pro-lifers; that vast majority of the people on this site ARE pro-life; we're discussing those of you who try to hold the GOP hostage with your votes.
The vast majority of US don't do that. We can see the big picture.
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