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PRO-LIFE WARNING TO THE REPUBLICAN PARTY
A 2004 pro-life thread brought back to life | 11-13-04 | Vicomte13

Posted on 11/13/2004 6:05:41 AM PST by cpforlife.org

PRO-LIFE WARNING TO THE REPUBLICAN PARTY

We believe that abortion is infanticide, and that a holocaust of infants is taking place. We do not believe that there is any other issue on Earth that compares with abortion in moral import. And therefore, there is no policy or combination of policies you Republicans can offer, including perfect tax policies, tort reform, and every other thing that is near and dear to Republican hearts, that matters a damn if abortion is overlooked and allowed to slide by.

We know that this issue has to be settled in the Supreme Court, nowhere else. And we know that the opportunity to put new justices on the court comes once in a decade, maybe, and that the current opportunity to alter the complexion of the court is not going to come again for a generation. Therefore, the real possibility exists that abortion can finally be seriously curtailed, soon, by the Supreme Court changing Roe v. Wade or eliminating it...IF, and ONLY IF, we can get pro-life judges on that court.

To do that, we have trusted the Republicans for years. We just came out and voted for you again this time, in unprecedented numbers, because we are not stupid and we know what is at stake. Not just evangelicals either. The religious CATHOLIC vote went Republican in 2004, and they didn't do it because of trade policy or even gay marriage. Their issue is abortion.

And the overriding issue is abortion.

So, if the Republicans allow Senator Specter to get the Chair of the Judiciary Committee and he blocks pro-life nominees, or if the Republicans do not use the nuclear option to override Democrat filibusters of pro-life nominees, THIS TIME there is no place for Republicans to hide. WE KNOW that you have the power, now, because WE just voted to give it to you. We understand that you can block Specter. And we understand the nuclear option.

And therefore, we most certainly will understand that if you allow the pro-life judges to be blocked, that it will be your political CHOICE to have done so. You CAN put pro-life judges on the bench, if you expend a lot of political capital. This will offend some people - a lot of people. And that is the price you HAVE to pay to get our votes next time. You have to be willing to bet the whole house to end infanticide.

If not, we will not vote for you. We won't go running to vote for the Democrats: they're pro-abortion. We won't go out and form a third party: we're not stupid and know that won't work. We'll just stay home, just like we did in 2000. Except that in 2000 it was out of frustration and neglect, and the lack of belief that anything will change. There was no organized campaign to keep the pro-life vote home in 2000.

This time, it's different. We understand the system, and we know that you have the power. And we demand that you use the power straight down the line to fill the high court and the appellate courts with judges who will protect the lives of babies. Period. This is not negotiable. At all. This is why we voted for you. You have nothing with which to bargain with us, and if you screw us, we will stay organized and we will stay home purposely to destroy the Republican party. Because if you do not protect the babies when you have the power to do it, you are no better than the Democrats...and worse, you will have lied to us.

This means, in effect, that all of those things YOU care most about: taxation, immigration, trade and business policy, deregulation - all of those core issues that come as an economic package, are held hostage to our issue: babies. If you will not protect the babies, we will stay home and let the Democrats destroy everything that YOU believe in.

This is called "Chicken". It is called a "Mexican Standoff". And since we are fired up by the certitude that we are doing God's work in defending babies, we cannot be bought, and you cannot win so much as an election for dog catcher in this country without us.

Therefore, the solution is simple and obvious: give us what we voted for you to do. Give us pro-life judges. Use all of your power to do it. Sweep Specter out of the way: is he worth losing all the rest of your agenda? - because we really will stay home and throw the country to the Democrats if you're no better than they are on abortion, just to punish YOU for having betrayed us. When the filibusters come, and they will come, use the nuclear option to override them. That will poison the Senate, yes. So what? We are talking about babies here. And with our votes, militantly mobilized because we are winning, alongside of yours, in 2006 and 2008 and beyond, even if the Senate is poisoned, you will be able to replace it with a more Republican one.

That there is even a debate going on as to what to do with Specter is alarming, but we have had our hearts broken before, so we'll sit and pray and trust President Bush and Senator Frist and the Republicans to do the right thing.

Screw us, though, and we will turn on you and your whole agenda will go down the drain with the blood of the babies you wouldn't put your power on the line to save.

The easy solution, the win-win solution, is to BE as pro-life as you campaigned as being. Just do it.

I apologize for the length of this post. But it needed to be said. The Republicans do not seem to get it. They need to understand that we are more committed to saving babies than we are to the fortunes of the Republican Party. That Specter is still in play demonstrates that too many of them do not take this seriously.

Rather than test us, what you guys should do is simply cave, now, and give us what we want. Do that, and you wont hear from us again - there will be no creeping theocracy in America - because this is about the only religious issue that Catholics and Orthodox and Evangelicals AGREE on.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: elections; gop; prolife
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To: Howlin

You'd dispute that 2 + 2 = 4, asking why it couldn't equally likely be 5 or 3 or some other even more cool number like pi.


1,101 posted on 11/13/2004 11:31:17 PM PST by The Red Zone
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To: Elkiejg; MindBender26
"Abortion is a critically important issue. Survival of us as a people and US as a country is more important, right now!"

"Agree 100%."


If this nation can't bring itself back from the abyss of mass slaughtering innocent babies to the tune of 43 million and growing, maybe we don't deserve to survive as a people or a country. We as a nation murder the same amount of babies per day as we did on 9/11, everyday all year long. My God, what will we do when You demand an accounting?

Billy Grahams' wife (both who are more "moderate" evangelicals) very poignantly said that "if God doesn't judge America, He will have to apologize to Sodom and Gommorah."

And Leonard Ravenhill rightly noticed that "Sodom had no Bible" and "Sodom didn't have a church on every corner."

"To whom much has been given, much more is required."
1,102 posted on 11/13/2004 11:31:45 PM PST by streetpreacher (There will be no Trolls in heaven.)
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To: Howlin
Take care Howlin...I've had enough of the nonsense for the day. I think the wife and I should take a few days out of town when Spectre takes his seat. I don't even want to listen to the cries of anguish.

Good night.

1,103 posted on 11/13/2004 11:32:06 PM PST by CWOJackson
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To: CWOJackson

Oh no, to say we will only vote if you don't betray us, is not "removing ourselves from the political process." You made us promises. Now deliver or face the consequences at the ballot box.


1,104 posted on 11/13/2004 11:33:08 PM PST by The Red Zone
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To: streetpreacher

Try not to break your arm patting yourself on the back, preacher. We wouldn't want you to drown while swimming around in Lake Uoweus Bigtime.


1,105 posted on 11/13/2004 11:33:35 PM PST by unsycophant
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To: Howlin; Hildy
And how about naming some "pro-aborts" on this thread I've aligned myself with.

Hildy, who makes no secret of her passion for abortion rights.

I've only read a fraction of this thread, but as I've said, I've been reading you for years. I find it hard to believe that you consider yourself some kind of pro-lifer. You're a pro-abort's dream.

1,106 posted on 11/13/2004 11:34:21 PM PST by Artist
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To: streetpreacher

A sad amen.


1,107 posted on 11/13/2004 11:35:29 PM PST by EternalVigilance
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To: unsycophant

God never required a vote.


1,108 posted on 11/13/2004 11:35:54 PM PST by The Red Zone
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To: Howlin

"You're exactly right; and how would you like it if 50 million of us tried to tell you to shut up?"

FACE laws do exactly that. The fixed perimeters and floating bubbles restricting free speech. And they grew out of Roe.

Worse yet, pro-abortion advocates try to force me to *speak* in the way they want - threatening me with malpractice and civil suits if I won't advocate for abortion.

If I were advocating for slavery, I'd bet that at least 50 million would tell me to "shut up."


1,109 posted on 11/13/2004 11:36:51 PM PST by hocndoc (Choice is the # 1 killer in the US)
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To: Vicomte13

Well said. We are in complete agreement.

The War on Terror is not morally equivalent to the American Holocaust.

One is being perpetrated on us by foreign powers. The other, we are perpetrating as a nation upon the unborn. This is evil we as a nation are committing on a daily basis. To argue that we are an innocent and morally pure nation before a just and holy God is deluded and mindless.

We have blood on our hands. We are the guilty nation.


1,110 posted on 11/13/2004 11:36:55 PM PST by streetpreacher (There will be no Trolls in heaven.)
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To: CWOJackson

All sorts of political pipers will have to be paid if Specter sits and then presumes to channel the voice of the entire Senate to President Bush. Count on it.


1,111 posted on 11/13/2004 11:38:57 PM PST by The Red Zone
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To: streetpreacher

God had an angel mark the heads of the Israelites who mourned over the unrighteousness in the land, so they would be spared the judgment. There weren't a whole lot.


1,112 posted on 11/13/2004 11:43:22 PM PST by The Red Zone
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To: Artist; Hildy

So if I post to her, I'm "aligning" myself with her? (BTW, I have no problem aligning myself with her; we have had our disagreements before, but she seems fair to me.)

Good to know; since I don't want to "align" myself with you, I won't be posting to you anymore.


1,113 posted on 11/13/2004 11:45:37 PM PST by Howlin (I love the smell of mandate in the morning.)
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To: kjvail

Amen.

Bears repeating:

"If the "Christian" West doesn't eliminate atrocity it doesn't deserver to survive."

And there is a misconception on this thread that needs to be addressed. Some are saying that for us to stay home and not vote Republican on this one issue makes us "disloyal" or "false" conservatives. But I would put it in more starker terms, much like you have. We put abortion as an issue above America continuing as a nation. So I guess we're not good Americans either.

Leonard Ravenhill had it right in the 1960's when he wrote that the "prophet in his day is accused of being unpatriotic" when he points out the sins of the nation. This is where many on FR or within the evangelical Republican club don't get it. They confuse loyalty to a movement or a nation or even mom and apple pie to loyalty to God. There is no comparison. America is not a "Christian" nation. She is a nation that has lost it's way and it is not unpatriotic to point out her flaws (and even if it were, no matter, we're called to followers of Christ not flag-worshippers).


1,114 posted on 11/13/2004 11:52:23 PM PST by streetpreacher (There will be no Trolls in heaven.)
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To: Howlin

I'll let the President speak for himself and what he ought to do:

George W. Bush: The next president should set this goal for America: Every child, born and unborn, protected in law and welcomed into life. That’s what the next president ought to do. The question is which one of us can lead America to appreciate life.

Source: GOP Debate on the Larry King Show Feb 15, 2000



1,115 posted on 11/13/2004 11:54:41 PM PST by hocndoc (Choice is the # 1 killer in the US)
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To: hocndoc

You do that; and please notice he did NOT say overturn Roe v. Wade.


1,116 posted on 11/13/2004 11:55:47 PM PST by Howlin (I love the smell of mandate in the morning.)
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To: Howlin

Well what exactly does "protected in law" mean then?


1,117 posted on 11/13/2004 11:56:35 PM PST by streetpreacher (There will be no Trolls in heaven.)
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To: streetpreacher; Howlin

I guess Specter could always argue "Not protected according to Scottish Law".


1,118 posted on 11/13/2004 11:57:38 PM PST by streetpreacher (There will be no Trolls in heaven.)
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To: All

I'm turning in; will be interesting to see some of the replies tomorrow (the Lord's day at that).


1,119 posted on 11/13/2004 11:58:37 PM PST by streetpreacher (There will be no Trolls in heaven.)
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To: Howlin

Okay. "protected in law."

George W. Bush: The next president should set this goal for America: Every child, born and unborn, protected in law and welcomed into life. That’s what the next president ought to do. The question is which one of us can lead America to appreciate life.

Source: GOP Debate on the Larry King Show Feb 15, 2000


1,120 posted on 11/13/2004 11:58:45 PM PST by hocndoc (Choice is the # 1 killer in the US)
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