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How Enlightenment Dies
NRO ^ | November 12, 2004 | Andrew Stuttaford

Posted on 11/12/2004 9:33:30 AM PST by neverdem

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1 posted on 11/12/2004 9:33:30 AM PST by neverdem
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2 posted on 11/12/2004 9:35:21 AM PST by cj2a (When you're pathetic, but you don't know you're pathetic, that's really pathetic.)
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To: neverdem
Actually, I'm thinking of nominating the MSM's annointing of this shallow, scatterbrained slut as a serious political "voice" worth heeding and disseminating as the true, verifiable and uncontested moment the Enlightenment well and trilu kicked it:


3 posted on 11/12/2004 9:38:06 AM PST by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle (I feel more and more like a revolted Charlton Heston, witnessing ape society for the very first time)
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4 posted on 11/12/2004 9:39:54 AM PST by neverdem (Xin loi min oi)
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To: neverdem

Some say that the 60's is dead, but I am not sure about that. It is waning though.


5 posted on 11/12/2004 9:40:40 AM PST by lormand (Dead People Vote DemocRAT)
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To: neverdem
It's similar to the old Moral Equivalence. In Muslim countries, most people take their religion seriously. In America, most people take their religion seriously. Therefore, the US is a lot like the Islamofascists.

Of course, the Muslims like to stone pregnant women, behead artists, and blow themselves up while standing next to women and children. In America, Chrisitians help at food banks, travel to foreign countries with food and medical assistance, and provide shelter and counseling to people in trouble. The Christian approach vs the Muslim approach seems almost identical to writers on the Left.

6 posted on 11/12/2004 9:41:31 AM PST by ClearCase_guy (The fourth estate is a fifth column.)
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To: neverdem

This is an excellent article - encourage everyone to read all the way through.


7 posted on 11/12/2004 9:44:21 AM PST by Naspino (Not creative enough to have a tagline.)
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To: neverdem

This is another example of where the left sets the agenda-the election was over alot more than Christianity. There are not 60 million Evangelical Christians in America. Also, I voted Republican before I became a Catholic.
Secondly, there is an interesting contradiction in this liberal position, in that they're equating voters motivated by morality as being synonomous with 'Christian'. Are they saying you can't be 'moral' without being a Christian? Really?


8 posted on 11/12/2004 9:46:56 AM PST by Spok
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I agree...excellent.

People need to take the muslim threat seriously.

There is going to be a "great war" and many infidels will suffer at thier hands before this is over.

I sometimes wonder if the tribulation will be at the hands of these animals...


9 posted on 11/12/2004 9:48:42 AM PST by baltodog (Eff allah and his pig followers)
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I hate seeing this map. Wisconsin is included amongst the communist and Bush lost by only 11,000 votes. I worked hard on his campaign, watched the polls, and know the heart of Wisconsin is with Bush. Please, someone, make Wisconsin part of Jesus Land.


10 posted on 11/12/2004 9:51:27 AM PST by Right in Wisconsin
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle
Hey, isn't Wonkette the cunning runt who was pushing the "John Kerry Has a Huge Schlong" story, back before he put on the blue bunny suit and proceeded to "auger in"?

If so, I say in my best Nelson Muntz voice: "HAAA-Hah!!"

11 posted on 11/12/2004 9:53:19 AM PST by Charles Martel ("Diplomats. The best diplomat I know of is a fully loaded phaser bank" - Cdr. Montgomery Scott)
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To: neverdem
"The murderer sawed through Van Gogh's neck and spinal column with a butcher knife, almost severing his head. And that, Mr. Wills, is how Enlightenment dies"

I was once a DemocRAT for the first three years after I turned 18. Then came the Islamic Revolution...

12 posted on 11/12/2004 9:56:00 AM PST by lormand (Dead People Vote DemocRAT)
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To: Charles Martel
Hey, isn't Wonkette the cunning runt who was pushing the "John Kerry Has a Huge Schlong" story, back before he put on the blue bunny suit and proceeded to "auger in"?

Most likely. Her "site" is nothing but an endless parade of sniggered d!ck jokes, after all. :)

13 posted on 11/12/2004 9:56:21 AM PST by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle (I feel more and more like a revolted Charlton Heston, witnessing ape society for the very first time)
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To: Spok
Are they saying you can't be 'moral' without being a Christian?

There once were many moral nonbelievers in the West.

Men who believed in a strict moral code derived from natural reason, the kind of morality described by Aristotle in the Nicomachean Ethics or Epictetus in his Enchiridion.

But nowadays there are very few Peripatetics or Stoics. Hedonism is the general rule for most nonbelievers and even many believers.

14 posted on 11/12/2004 9:57:11 AM PST by wideawake (God bless our brave soldiers and their Commander in Chief)
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As a Christian, I'm uneasy with some of the characterizations I'm seeing post-election.

I am not at war with secular Americans. Nor do I think Christians are the only Americans who try to live by "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you". I flinch when I see the map of Canada and assorted Blue States divided and then the rest of the U.S. called "Jesusland".

I am grateful beyond words that President Bush was re-elected, and have been celebrating in various ways since last Tuesday. I hope those of us who worked for and voted for his re-election don't become as pompous and self-righteous as did so many who opposed us.


15 posted on 11/12/2004 10:10:57 AM PST by SE Mom (God Bless our troops.)
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To: neverdem
This has been cited elsewere, but it bears repeating: one of Jack Handey's droll "Deep Thoughts" is not all that far from the truth in this case -

"I can picture in my mind a world without war, a world without hate. And I can picture us attacking that world, because they'd never expect it."

Holland will have to change, one way or the other. They will either try to accommodate these thugs, in which case their culture will become even more corrupted, or they will take the necessary steps to eliminate this threat.

16 posted on 11/12/2004 10:13:38 AM PST by macbee ("Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake." - Napoleon Bonaparte)
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"Thou Shalt Not Kill." Erased, obliterated, unacceptable. Much like Theo van Gogh."

I am waiting for that sandblasting to be done here at places like the Supreme court building and others...not just to that commandment but to all of them.
With appropriate apologies to the offended.

Twill be a sad day indeed.


17 posted on 11/12/2004 10:16:20 AM PST by Adder (Can we bring back stoning again? Please?)
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To: neverdem
A few days ago, a local artist reacted to the news of Van Gogh's killing by painting a mural that included the words "Gij zult niet doden" ("Thou Shalt Not Kill"). Fair comment, you might think. Apparently not. The head of a nearby mosque complained. The police showed up and city workers sandblasted the inconvenient text into oblivion.

This is revealing on several levels. First, that injunction is supposed to be one of the foundations of orthodox Islam. Why would the head of a mosque object to it unless he either no longer believed it or found it inconvenient to some revisionist form of Islam that finds killing necessary (think Wahhabism)? OK, that's probably a rhetorical question...

Second, it is clear that this form of "enlightenment" subordinates freedom of speech (and artistic expression) to bullying by the chronically offended. That level of political correctness is generally laughed at these days in the U.S. even though it still pops up now and then. But whatever it is, it certainly isn't "tolerance."

18 posted on 11/12/2004 10:22:41 AM PST by Billthedrill
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To: neverdem

Bumping for a later read.


19 posted on 11/12/2004 10:36:56 AM PST by AuntB (Most provisional ballots are from voters not eligible to vote!!! Ask a poll worker!)
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On November 2, the very day of the election that was to so sadden Garry Wills, an assassin in Amsterdam murdered the filmmaker Theo Van Gogh — shot him, stabbed him, and then butchered him like a sacrificial sheep. Van Gogh, you see, had transgressed the code of the fanaticism that has now made its home in Holland. And for that he had to die.
The Enlightenment wasn't the product of the wonderful tolerant Moslem influences. It is partly a here-and-now anachronistic seeing-what-one-wants-to, partly the result of the old feudal hierarchy (meaning, locally-controlled, non-centralized gov't), partly the climate change (the Little Ice Age), and partly the medieval rediscovery of surviving classic culture.

20 posted on 11/12/2004 11:16:52 AM PST by SunkenCiv ("All I have seen teaches me trust the Creator for all I have not seen." -- Emerson)
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