Posted on 11/11/2004 7:16:53 AM PST by SJackson
It's just me, but I have trouble with using Castro in the same breath as Hitler, Mao, and Stalin.
Probably a poor translation. I once heard this old Italian saying during a sermon at mass once, "the translator is a liar"
Disgusting.
How many divisions does the Pope control? Good student of military history RS!
Nor as many Catholics supporting him as W - I would bet...........
thank the Lord!
What?? Are they kidding????? Arafat was a terrorist and is no longer on this earth to murder innocent people. Cant' believe the vatican would put out such a ridiculous statement. That's incredible and just shows the Vatican does NOT speak for all Catholics. I'm ashamed!!! But then again...what else is new with our church over the last 30 years or so. Typical political nonsense. Arafat was a heinous individual who reaped pain and sorrow on people. Shame on the Vatican to release such a statement.
Why the heck would Sharon want to see the Pope? These Vatican guys need to get a clue.
Arafats Legacy:
http://www.honestreporting.com/m/legacy.asp
Understand. He should have been a baseball player.
Maybe just a matter of scale, but his designs on Latin America and Africa were big, and the suffering and damage he did to the cause of freedom is still felt to this day.
Substitute your favorite despot.
Who is going to say that he died of aids.I'd start by asking the French to issue the death certificate.
Knowing lots of Catholics here at FR, I will refrain from the howl of protest that wants to come from my keyboard. I will only point out that this is a perfect illustration of the gulf that still exists between Caltholics and Jews.
What are they thinking! The bastard through his constant resorting to violence has kept his people permanently oppressed and debilitated -- and he lined his pockets majestically at the same time. The man was evil incarnate and the leaders of my church are raising him up in terms usually reserved for the sanctified! Fie, I say, fie!
The possibility that it was a mistranslation would be more valid if it was the only statement that had been made. But with the other statements and the Vatican's criticism of Israel, it seems likely to me that the translation was accurate.
Purgatory is not a way to "get out of hell." They are entirely different things. Try not to display your ignorance.
SD
/same god
HOLY SEE JOINS IN PAIN OF PALESTINIAN PEOPLE FOR ARAFAT DEATHVATICAN CITY, NOV 11, 2004 (VIS) - Upon learning of the death early this morning in a hospital near Paris of Yasser Arafat, 75, president of the Palestinian National Authority, Holy See Press Office Director Joaquin Navarro-Valls made the following statement to journalists: "The Holy See joins in the pain of the Palestinian people for the death of President Yasser Arafat. He was a leader of great charisma who loved his people and sought to lead them towards national independence. May God welcome in His mercy the soul of the illustrious deceased and give peace to the Holy Land, with two independent and sovereign States, fully reconciled with each other." Pope John Paul and Yasser Arafat have met 12 times during the Pope's 26-year pontificate. Arafat was received 11 times in the Vatican: the first was on September 15, 1982 and the last time was October 30, 2001. The Palestinian leader and the Holy Father also met in Bethlehem during the pontiff's pilgrimage to the Holy Land in March of 2000. Yasser Arafat has met with Cardinal Angelo Sodano, secretary of State (1996), with then Archbishop and now Cardinal Jean-Louis Tauran, secretary for Relations with States (1994 in Tunisia and 1995 in Gaza during a trip to Israel) and with Cardinal Pio Laghi when he visited the Holy Land in 2001. On October 25, 1994, the Holy See announced that the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) and the Holy See will exchange representations to be "open channels for continuing the development of mutual relations, understanding and cooperation. ... It was decided to give to the already long-existing and fruitful working contacts a permanent and official character. The Palestine Liberation Organization will, therefore, open an office of representation at the Holy See, with its own director. The apostolic nuncio in Tunisia will be responsible for contacts with the leaders of the Palestine Liberation Organization." On February 15, 2000, John Paul II received Arafat and a delegation for the signing of a Basic Agreement between the Holy See and the Palestinian Liberation Organization, as the representative of the Palestinian National Authority. At that time the Palestinian leader invited the Pope to Bethlehem. The agreement signed that day dealt with certain juridical questions regarding the presence and activity of the Catholic Church in the territory dependent on the Palestinian Authority. |
The Pope, who made a historic trip to Israel and the Palestinian territories in 2000, sent a message saying he was particularly close to the Palestinian people "in this hour of sadness".
The 84-year-old Pope's message said he prayed that the "star of harmony" would soon bring peace to the Holy Land and that both Israelis and Palestinians could live "reconciled among themselves as two independent and sovereign states".
So the Pope prayed for Arafat's soul, expressed sympathy for a grieving people, and expressed a desire for a peaceful resolution to the conflict.
What part of this is "bad" or "unChristian" again?
SD
I'm very disappointed in the Vatican on this one. Perhaps some of the Catholics here can enlighten me as to why the Vatican seems to keep ending up on the wrongside of alot of events lately.
P.S. Don't accuse me of being anti-catholic it is simply a criticism of their policies.
So blowing up children in pizza parlors is a militant attack?
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