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Posted on 11/11/2004 7:16:53 AM PST by SJackson
And to think, he was only responsible for the deaths of some 100,000 Lebanese Catholics, guess their lives count for nill.
Islam is no more a "great religion" than any other political ideology which attempts o justify mass murder and military conquest.
Correction, we are partly judged, the Full Judgement of Christ does not come until His Second Coming.
If you are incapable of seeing the difference between love your enemy and propagandize a mass murderer then that is a really sorry testiment upon your church.
While I agree with you the brevity of the Pope's comments is telling, I would rather not have to use term brevity to describe the Pope's comments. Non-existent would have been just fine.
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Long Live Arrafat, In the Fires of Hell. Piss be upon him. Terrorist bastard.
I really don't want to get into an interpretive battle here. I will concede that there is no explicit verse outlining this. But neither are all Christian teaching to be found explicitly in the text of the Bible. The teachings on the Trinity, for example, or the divinity of Jesus are not laid out in explicit fashion.
Rather we must gather bits of truth from various places in the text and contemplate them in order to put together a fuller picture.
Isaiah is taken to the presence of the Lord and the angels burn his lips with a hot ember to purify him. This establishes that the unclean can not enter God's presence. It also demonstrated fire as a tool for purifying.
The rest of the picture comes from an understanding of the reality of God's making us perfect by the power of Christ's Blood. We know that we sin today, though we try our hardest to avoid it. Though we may know we are forgven, we also know we are not fully perfected.
So there must be a transformation between our death and our entering Heaven.
SD
That's what kills me. His PLO virtually wiped out the ancient Christian population of Lebanon and without a bit of remorse from that monster the Vatican lavishes him with praise and attention! It really makes me sick. And very sad. The Pope is being manipulated by evil people.
Sure. But I didn't see the need to over-complicate the point.
SD
If you are incapable of seeing the difference between an expression of Christian sympathy and "propagandize a mass murderer" then that is a really sorry testament upon yourself.
What would you have had the Vatican say when a world leader such as this dies?
SD
The Swiss guards are only symbolic protectors of the Pope. The Pope also professional bodyguards similar to the Secret Service.
I agree that however misguided the Palestinian people are, that it is proper to show some degree of sympathy for them. However, that in itself is a lost opportunity. The Palestinian put their hope and faith in a murderer and terrorist who loathed christians as much as jews.
But for the Pope or Chirac or Katie Couric to grieve for this man, is nothing more than moral cowardice. It is right for him to be judged on earth as surely as he will be judged before God. As such, the Pope and his surrogates should have remained silent on the passing of evil personified. I do not grieve for this man, nor should any jew or christian.
Nothing.
The Pope doesn't write off entire populations. If one lamb is missing, the shepherd goes off to find it.
The Pope doesn't think of populations as "us" or "them." He is concerned with individual souls, wherever they may be. Turning a cold shoulder to the Palis and pretending they don't exist is surely a poor plan for bringing peace to the area.
As an American you may desire the extermination or removal of these people to other Arab lands. But a Pope has a different job.
SD
Pope:The "illustrious deceased" gets me, as does the "leader of great charisma."
"in this hour of sadness".
"star of harmony"
"reconciled among themselves as two independent and sovereign states".
"illustrious deceased"Joaquin Navarro-Valls:
"The Holy See joins the pain of the Palestinian people for the passing of President Yasser Arafat. He was a leader of great charisma who loved his people and tried to guide them towards national independence,"Vatican officials:
"jumping off the peace train".senior Vatican prelate
"There is no doubt that he was a towering figure for his people but his great mistake was not to sign on at Camp David,"
"That was a great failure and a lot of problems stemmed from that,"
"He missed his date with history."
You misunderstood my comment. I agree that the Pope and everyone should so some sympathy for the Palestinians this week. However, the lost opportunity is that for forty years, they were led by a terrorist and murderer and only in his death and after the deaths of hundreds of thousands of jews and christians are we able to reach out.
This is what is so sad.
He had great charisma? The Pope should just SHUT UP. Does the "Holy See" think Arafat had "great charisma" before or after he blew up men, women and children in Israel in order to "guide them towards national independence"????? Being old and dead should not automatically translate into "leader w/great charisma", etc., ad nauseum.
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