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Vatican praises Arafat for Palestinian vision
ABC News ^ | 11-11-04

Posted on 11/11/2004 7:16:53 AM PST by SJackson

The Vatican has praised Yasser Arafat as a charismatic leader who struggled to win independence for his people, and repeated its support of a sovereign Palestinian state alongside Israel.

Pope John Paul, who last met Arafat in 2001, retreated into private prayer when he was told of the death of the Palestinian leader earlier on Thursday in Paris, a Vatican source said.

The Pope, who made a historic trip to Israel and the Palestinian territories in 2000, sent a message saying he was particularly close to the Palestinian people "in this hour of sadness".

The 84-year-old Pope's message said he prayed that the "star of harmony" would soon bring peace to the Holy Land and that both Israelis and Palestinians could live "reconciled among themselves as two independent and sovereign states".

Earlier, a statement by the Vatican's chief spokesman called Mr Arafat the "illustrious deceased" and asked God to grant eternal rest to his soul.

"The Holy See joins the pain of the Palestinian people for the passing of President Yasser Arafat. He was a leader of great charisma who loved his people and tried to guide them towards national independence," said the statement by chief spokesman Joaquin Navarro-Valls.

The official statement was bound to displease Israel because it made no mention of militant attacks, which the Jewish state blamed on Mr Arafat and insists must stop before the stalled peace process can get back on track.

In recent years the Vatican continued to recognise Mr Arafat as the legitimate leader of the Palestinians after Washington and Israel had written him off.

But Vatican officials privately criticised him for what one called "jumping off the peace train".

"There is no doubt that he was a towering figure for his people but his great mistake was not to sign on at Camp David," a senior Vatican prelate told Reuters.

"That was a great failure and a lot of problems stemmed from that," he said. "He missed his date with history."

At a US-brokered a peace summit in 2000 both sides came close to a final accord that would have established an independent Palestinian state, but the talks broke down over the status of Jerusalem and Palestinian refugees.

Washington and Israel blamed Mr Arafat for the failure.

Over the past four years, the Vatican's improvement in relations with the Palestinian Authority coincided with a deterioration of relations with Israel.

The Pope repeatedly criticised Israeli incursions into Palestinian territories and last November, the Vatican was shocked when Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon came to Rome for several days but did not ask to see the Pope.


TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Israel
KEYWORDS: arafat; praise; vatican
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To: SoothingDave

Consoling the Palestinian people is not a work of mercy. Illuminating them as to the history of the monster who led them would be. Perhaps then they would follow a leader who would bring them true peace and a better life. To quote you that would be....
Nice.


261 posted on 11/11/2004 12:54:27 PM PST by antceecee (God Bless President Bush. FOUR MORE YEARS!)
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To: antceecee

Thank you for posting. As an Evangelical, if I'd read about Billy Graham saying such things, I'd be completely disgusted, clearly distance myself from his viewpoint, and demand he retract his words. Some people seem to think this is "just another anti-Catholic thing". But it isn't.


262 posted on 11/11/2004 12:56:53 PM PST by k2blader (It is neither compassionate nor conservative to support the expansion of socialism.)
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To: antceecee
Consoling the Palestinian people is not a work of mercy. Illuminating them as to the history of the monster who led them would be.

I think you get further on the human scale if you offer a shoulder and not a lecture. But that's just me.

SD

263 posted on 11/11/2004 12:57:17 PM PST by SoothingDave
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To: SoothingDave

Giving them a shoulder to mourn the death of the man who kept them from establishing a homeland and peace in their lives? The collective shoulders of diplomats from around the world are all there, yet in the end nothing will have been accomplished once they finish eulogizing this monster. Do them a favor and let them see the truth of who Arafat was, now that's a work of true mercy.


264 posted on 11/11/2004 1:14:02 PM PST by antceecee (God Bless President Bush. FOUR MORE YEARS!)
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To: k2blader

It's really about truth. The empathy and praise for Arafat being sent by not only the Vatican, but democratic governments from around the world is one large collective LIE! Michael Moore would be proud to make a film tribute so it could be included in our children's history lessons.


265 posted on 11/11/2004 1:17:32 PM PST by antceecee (God Bless President Bush. FOUR MORE YEARS!)
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To: antceecee
Giving them a shoulder to mourn the death of the man who kept them from establishing a homeland and peace in their lives?

Yes, exactly. It helps to see them as humans and not as "the enemy."

I don't know why so many seem to want to use this moment to express their superiority. It certainly isn't a Christian attitude.

SD

266 posted on 11/11/2004 1:20:27 PM PST by SoothingDave
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To: SoothingDave

Where in my statement have I said they are the 'enemy'? Seeking to tell the truth is not a superior attitude, and it most certainly is Christian. Apparently you would prefer to hug them and lie to them at the same time. Maybe you could take Arafat's place, after all that is what he did to them. He hugged their children, right before he showed them how to strap on explosives and board an Israeli bus.


267 posted on 11/11/2004 1:29:40 PM PST by antceecee (God Bless President Bush. FOUR MORE YEARS!)
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To: Cronos

I very much doubt this came from the Pope. There are some terrorist-appeasers at the Vatican, that's for sure.


268 posted on 11/11/2004 1:29:43 PM PST by veronica (Savor the victory!)
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To: veronica

Thank you... I agree.


269 posted on 11/11/2004 1:30:35 PM PST by antceecee (God Bless President Bush. FOUR MORE YEARS!)
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To: Fatalis

Umm, Jewish history, which sites that the Old Testiment or the Kabala and such were not penned until the exile to Babylon.


270 posted on 11/11/2004 1:35:44 PM PST by jb6 (Truth = Christ)
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To: jb6
"The only thing you are open about is posting conspiracy theories and 10-15 year old arguments that you try to pass of as modern facts."

Truth is truth and does not become outdated. But your right about one thing, there is a need to update facts that support the truth as new discoveries come to light...which is precisely what I am doing on this forum (much to your chagrin). I find that many people who despise the truth, such as yourself, prefer to believe lies. That is of course your prerogative.
271 posted on 11/11/2004 1:48:59 PM PST by TapTheSource
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To: antceecee
Where in my statement have I said they are the 'enemy'?

It's all over your patronizing attitude.

Seeking to tell the truth is not a superior attitude, and it most certainly is Christian. Apparently you would prefer to hug them and lie to them at the same time.

I would prefer to treat them as human, feel for their grief and then begin working on bringing them into the world of reality.

Coming in blazing with lectures about how stupid and evil they are is no way to go about things.

Really, you would think an expression of sympathy for people grieving would be unexceptional.

SD

272 posted on 11/11/2004 1:51:23 PM PST by SoothingDave
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To: SoothingDave

Well, we all have our own take and it’s praise to me. Frankly the idea that he “loved his people” and “guided them to independence” is repulsive. Like most tyrants, Arafat trampled his “people” in pursuit of power.


273 posted on 11/11/2004 1:53:08 PM PST by SJackson ( Bush is as free as a bird, He is only accountable to history and God, Ra'anan Gissin)
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To: antceecee
President Bush:

The death of Yasser Arafat is a significant moment in Palestinian history. We express our condolences to the Palestinian people. For the Palestinian people, we hope that the future will bring peace and the fulfillment of their aspirations for an independent, democratic Palestine that is at peace with its neighbors. During the period of transition that is ahead, we urge all in the region and throughout the world to join in helping make progress toward these goals and toward the ultimate goal of peace.

The Pope:

In this hour of sadness at the passing of President Yasser Arafat, His Holiness Pope John Paul II is particularly close to the deceased's Family, the Authorities and the Palestinian People. While entrusting his soul into the hands of the Almighty and Merciful God, the Holy Father prays to the Prince of Peace that the star of harmony will soon shine on the Holy Land and that the two Peoples dwelling therein may live reconciled among themselves as two independent and sovereign States.

SD

274 posted on 11/11/2004 1:54:39 PM PST by SoothingDave
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To: jb6
Umm, Jewish history, which sites that the Old Testiment or the Kabala and such were not penned until the exile to Babylon.

Guess the Midrash got it wrong.

Before his death, Moses wrote 13 Torah Scrolls. Twelve of these were distributed to each of the 12 Tribes. The 13th was placed in the Ark of the Covenant (with the Tablets). If anyone would come and attempt to rewrite or falsify the Torah, the one in the Ark would "testify" against him.
Devarim Rabba 9:4

275 posted on 11/11/2004 1:59:06 PM PST by SJackson ( Bush is as free as a bird, He is only accountable to history and God, Ra'anan Gissin)
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To: SJackson
Vatican press office:

"The Holy See joins in the pain of the Palestinian people for the death of President Yasser Arafat. He was a leader of great charisma who loved his people and sought to lead them towards national independence. May God welcome in His mercy the soul of the illustrious deceased and give peace to the Holy Land, with two independent and sovereign States, fully reconciled with each other."

sJackson: Frankly the idea that he “loved his people” and “guided them to independence” is repulsive.

It says "he sought to lead them towards national independence." This is undoubtedly true. Whether or not he "loved" them is neither something we can assess, nor is it approriate for a consolation message.

It continues to stun how many here lack basic human sympathy, yet feel assured that they can read hearts and minds and tell who is damned and saved.

SD

276 posted on 11/11/2004 2:00:08 PM PST by SoothingDave
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To: antceecee
It's really about truth. The empathy and praise for Arafat being sent by not only the Vatican, but democratic governments from around the world is one large collective LIE!

Exactly!!!

277 posted on 11/11/2004 2:03:30 PM PST by k2blader (It is neither compassionate nor conservative to support the expansion of socialism.)
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To: jb6
"I have caught you as being wrong on so many occassions it doesn't bare reciting"

I'm afraid the shoe is on the other foot my dear sir. After all, it is you who slovenly support Putin's rabidly anti-American foreign policy. It doesn't matter what Putin does--including arming Iran with nukes--you will find some clever way to support him against American interests. And please do...I'd love for you to briefly recite the "many occasions" you have proved me wrong. This should be fun.

PS Just because Putin has decreed that Iran should possess nukes does not prove me wrong. That might be the way it works in Putin's Russia, but that is not the way things work here. You are actually going to have to PROVE that it is a good thing for Iran to possess nukes (courtesy of Russia). You will actually have to PROVE that it's a good thing for Russia to oppose US attempts to halt Iran's nuclear program. You will have to PROVE that it's a good thing that Russia opposes our operation in Fallujah. I could go on and on, but I think the above is as good a place to start as any. I'll understand if you need to take some time to consult with Moscow before getting back to me. Say hi to your favorite dictator for me (and be sure to tell him that once America wakes up, we'll be coming for him too).
278 posted on 11/11/2004 2:05:28 PM PST by TapTheSource
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To: SJackson
For me it's the fact that Arafat advocated murder.

To condone this by "joining in the pain of the Palestinian people" for his death is simply evil.

279 posted on 11/11/2004 2:07:01 PM PST by k2blader (It is neither compassionate nor conservative to support the expansion of socialism.)
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To: SoothingDave
It says "he sought to lead them towards national independence." This is undoubtedly true. Whether or not he "loved" them is neither something we can assess, nor is it approriate for a consolation message…It continues to stun how many here lack basic human sympathy, yet feel assured that they can read hearts and minds and tell who is damned and saved.

You don’t have to read his heart or mind. Read the PLO Charter or the Phased Plan of 1974. He laid out his objectives, and was consistent in achieving them. “National Independence” in a state next to Israel was never an issue, to his dying day. His objective was the destruction of Israel. He needed a “state” as a platform. It didn’t have to be in the West Bank. That’s why he started his career attempting to establish himself in Lebanon and Jordan. BTW, overthrow of the Jordanian government was a formal aim of Yasser’s as well.

280 posted on 11/11/2004 2:07:15 PM PST by SJackson ( Bush is as free as a bird, He is only accountable to history and God, Ra'anan Gissin)
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