Posted on 11/10/2004 12:51:19 PM PST by VU4G10
This is from today's Washington Times.
Bush revives bid to legalize illegal aliens
The president met privately in the Oval Office with Sen. John McCain to discuss jump-starting a stalled White House initiative that would grant legal status to millions of immigrants who broke the law to enter the United States.
The Arizona Republican is one of the Senate's most outspoken supporters of expanding guest-worker programs and has introduced his own bill to offer a path to citizenship for illegal immigrants.
"We are formulating plans for the legislative agenda for next year," said White House political strategist Karl Rove. "And immigration will be on that agenda."
He added: "The president had a meeting this morning to discuss with a significant member of the Senate the prospect of immigration reform. And he's going to make it an important item."
You mean there's hope for Michael Moore?
Ah. I see now. You wish to replicate Janet Reno's strategy against firearms ownership: if you harrass enough people, then they will surrender their guns more readily.
Empowering government to engage in pure harrassment is a pretty stupid idea, OK?
Thus, even if your juries that must be out there somewhere (I trust you have evidence other than your bare assertion) do not convict, it is not the case that nothing has been accomplished.
Look in newspapers from 1987-88. Most probably would not devote extensive coverage to cases ending in acquittal, but there ought to be a column-inch or so reporting the fact.
Pres. Bush did talk about it in the last debate. I re-read it today
It was perfectly legal to hire Mexicans until 1965. And then the rules were arbitrarily changed to benefit one small special-interest group.
"Long held?" In the 1950s more tha a million illegal aliens were expelled.
What's occurred since 1965 isn't remotely close to the type of seasonal agricultural work that you're hearkening to. It's a free for all to hire illegal aliens. I'm skeptical that your aquaintances, who've participated by default up in the free for all, which is now the current custom, would be any more inclined to enforce the law against employers after a mass legalization via a guest worker proposal. Why should employers comply?
Declare the past...diagnose the present...fortell the furture - Hippocrates
My statement stands: we're discussing this because of statements that Powell made IN Mexico.
In his press conference after he won, Bush didn't even MENTION immigration.
Yeah. The illegal alien problem was a hell of a lot more manageable than the current mess is.
No system is going to be perfect.
What's occurred since 1965 isn't remotely close to the type of seasonal agricultural work that you're hearkening to. It's a free for all to hire illegal aliens.
Because of the 1965 law.
I'm skeptical that your aquaintances, who've participated by default up in the free for all, which is now the current custom, would be any more inclined to enforce the law against employers after a mass legalization via a guest worker proposal.
It would bring the overall posture of the law into closer accord with long-established (i.e., since 1848) custom.
Why should employers comply?
1. It's easier to be legal than illegal.
2. It's more likely that those who are illegal will be detected and caught (illegal activities will be more noticeable).
3. It's more likely that they'll be convicted.
It would be better if he dropped it for now, or adopted the Tancredo guest worker proposal into his overall plan. This is a fight that will be a major distraction, I'm afraid, and there are issues that were more central to the President's campaign that I'd rather see him tackle first.
That's an insult to frogs.
He had a meeting with McCain, in which I am sure MORE than immigration was discussed.
And he's not going to fight with anybody; he has put his plan out there, just like all the senators and represenatives have; THEY will fight it out in Congress.
In case you're unaware, blue-collar working class built the Republican party and elected Ronald Reagan. It's the corporate slugs who are along for the ride, not the other way around.
Yes, and its the working class that fights this and every other war and has always kept this country alive. The Republican party uses the Christian right as surely as the Democrats use Black Americans.
I've seen nothing to suggest that hiring illegal aliens will be any more difficult after a legalization than it is now. It's really a stretch to say that it's difficult to know who's currently hiring illegals.
A real problem that advocates of the President's proposal have is that they ask for a rather blind trust that enforcement measures that aren't taken now will be taken later. If the President wants a politically pragmatic guest worker proposal, he'd be wise to incorporate the Tancredo plan and neutralize a ton of opposition on his right flank.
If the President is just going to toss a legalization proposal into Congress, or get behind the bill McCain has sponsored, without a fight, he will lose in short order, to no purpose. Do you really think that's the plan?
In a 90-minute interview Sept. 22 with editors and reporters of The Washington Times, Mr. Rove said a Bush victory would "be an opportunity" for the president's guest-worker proposal for immigrants, although he declined to call it a "mandate," as he did on such issues as Social Security reform and tax cuts.
You are sadly mistaken if you think my husband is a union crane operator. I myself am an independent contractor medical transcriptionist. Sorry to disillusion you. I know you froth at the mouth and cry every time you think someone might be a union member. I'm sure if you mention your problem to your psychiatrist, he can increase your medication dosage and help you with your delusions.
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