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Operation Phantom Fury---Day III---Live thread
CNNFOXMSNBC | Nov 11,2004 | All of us

Posted on 11/10/2004 4:07:27 AM PST by Dog

Todays thread post all comments here...tunnels are being found in the southern part of Fallujah....per CNN's embedded reporter on the scene.


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To: No Blue States

I would like to see this story and picture on the front page of all the newspapers tomorrow. (Not holding breath.)


181 posted on 11/10/2004 11:18:24 AM PST by Bahbah (Proud member of the pajamahadeen)
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To: Allegra

Screw 'em - keep your head up and keep your head down!

Lt Col, USAFR


182 posted on 11/10/2004 11:19:57 AM PST by jagusafr ("In Texas we call that walkin'" - gotta love it!)
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To: No Blue States

Good news UPDATE on the Hague story I posted earlier, slightly off subject but related to the overall WOT:

THE HAGUE, Netherlands Nov 10, 2004 — Police raided a house in The Hague on Wednesday, ending a 15-hour standoff in which one suspect and three officers were wounded, authorities said. Two suspected terrorists were arrested in the raid and a third was detained in another city.

There were several people in the house, and I heard a man yelling, 'I'll chop your head off' and yelling profanities," she said.

Tensions have been high in the Netherlands since Van Gogh's murder in Amsterdam eight days ago, with more than a dozen arson attacks against churches and mosques. An Islamic school in Eindhoven was bombed Monday night, and another in Uden was burned down Tuesday. No injuries were reported.


Six suspects, believed to be members of a radical Islamic terrorist group, are in police custody in connection with the Van Gogh murder, including the alleged killer, 26-year-old Mohammed Bouyeri, who holds dual Dutch and Moroccan citizenship.

http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory?id=241914&CMP=OTC-RSSFeeds0312


183 posted on 11/10/2004 11:20:37 AM PST by No Blue States
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To: Dog; hershey
Dog, I've been away for a week and rarely able to check in on the real news... Thank you for these threads! I wanted to affirm Hershey's post on yesterday's Fallujah thread about mass brainwashing in arab countries and how this is playing out in Iraq:
WRKO radio in Boston had an interesting Arab analyst on this am. (They have his link on their website, which should be WRKO.com) He was saying that mullahs preach Jihad against the west and the US and that most Arabs have no access to news other than Al Jazeera or street gossip, so they're brainwashed that dying for Allah is great. They don't think there's another option, which is why a democratic Iraq is so important. Iraqi opinion and that of the Iraqi army are changing.

They're fighting not for Paul Bremer and the US now, but for their own country and coming elections...so maybe they won't run away. But tribalism is still rampant(Sunnis, Shiites), and the last thing they need is Baathist(Saddam's thugs)(sp.?), back in power. What we're doing is dragging them into modern life, but we have no other choice. Once al Qaeda gets hold of nukes, they'll use them.

Freedom is built upon the free pursuit of truth in a free market of ideas, right and wrong. Our long term success in resolving the Islamijad assault is free expression in Iraq. This will empower much we don't want to hear but it will also become a sanctuary for the truth, which can only spill over into Iran, Syria and the surrounding countries. Self-government and democracy are not ends; these are tools for a better world, the way to it. And that path must be paved with liberty of thought and its expression.

Hershey also points to the wisdom of holding off in April. The distinction between then and now is the present use of Iraqi troops and police, in Fallujah and elsewhere. These forces didn't wash in April. They were not ready, and, as Hershey wrote, they were not ready to pledge themselves to the Bremer regime. Now they are fighting for themselves with experience, prestige, and pride, applying the training and tools we have given them.

The impatient and the nuke-em-now crowd are once again proved wrong. And remember: the cries for Now! started in Afghanistan, not Iraq.

184 posted on 11/10/2004 11:21:07 AM PST by nicollo
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To: Bahbah

Yeah me too, as well as to the Nuke em all crowd here.
(though I have to resist that idea often myself)


185 posted on 11/10/2004 11:21:27 AM PST by No Blue States
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To: TexKat; boxerblues; Bahbah; Allegra

Cigarette Guy

186 posted on 11/10/2004 11:21:53 AM PST by DollyCali (Winning isn't everything. But losing really sucks. Sorry sKerry. You're a loser in all respects.)
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To: DollyCali

doesnt he know that smoking will kill him, what is he thinking! </ sarcasm>


187 posted on 11/10/2004 11:23:33 AM PST by boxerblues (www.ohbluestarmothers.org)
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To: Allegra; mystery-ak; cyborg; TheMom; Flyer
If you have something to say to us, say it to us.

You have the chance to drop it now, unless you want us to tell your story for you.

You might not like that. People here know that I am honest and have no reason to lie about you.

Your choice, I don't care either way.

188 posted on 11/10/2004 11:26:57 AM PST by Eaker ("He's the kind of guy who would fight a rattlesnake and give the snake a two-bite head start.")
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To: DollyCali

Dolly, I...um...er...well, you know what I'm trying to say here. ;)


189 posted on 11/10/2004 11:28:27 AM PST by Bahbah (Proud member of the pajamahadeen)
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To: DollyCali

Rush was just talking about the *smokin marine*....smoke em, if you got em..


190 posted on 11/10/2004 11:29:21 AM PST by mystery-ak (This military family thanks America for re-electing our CinC)
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To: DollyCali

Ceegar Guy

191 posted on 11/10/2004 11:30:31 AM PST by DollyCali (Winning isn't everything. But losing really sucks. Sorry sKerry. You're a loser in all respects.)
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To: Eaker; boxerblues; Bahbah; Allegra

tried to post them next to each other but you guys are to fast..

(somebody picin' on some of you? )


192 posted on 11/10/2004 11:32:41 AM PST by DollyCali (Winning isn't everything. But losing really sucks. Sorry sKerry. You're a loser in all respects.)
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To: No Blue States

193 posted on 11/10/2004 11:33:27 AM PST by demlosers
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To: Dog; Mo1; Howlin; Peach; BeforeISleep; kimmie7; 4integrity; BigSkyFreeper; RandallFlagg; ...

Marines of the 1st Division use a bolt cutter to take of the handcuffs of an Iraqi, at a makeshift military hospital in Fallujah, Iraq, Wednesday, Nov. 10, 2004. The Iraqi whose name was not released, was found handcuffed in an insurgent hiding place in Fallujah, after being kidnapped 10 days ago in Baghdad's suburb of Abu Ghraib. The Marines believe he was used as a human shield. (AP Photo/Anja Niedringhaus)
Wed Nov 10, 1:56 PM ET
AP

Marines of the 1st Division use a bolt cutter to take of the handcuffs of an Iraqi, at a makeshift military hospital in Fallujah, Iraq (news - web sites), Wednesday, Nov. 10, 2004. The Iraqi whose name was not released, was found handcuffed in an insurgent hiding place in Fallujah, after being kidnapped 10 days ago in Baghdad's suburb of Abu Ghraib. The Marines believe he was used as a human shield. (AP Photo/Anja Niedringhaus)


OH BOY, MAIL!

Marines of the First Division sort out mail at a camp outside Fallujah, Iraq, Wednesday, Nov. 10, 2004. The mail was loaded on a truck for Marines inside Fallujah. (AP Photo/Anja Niedringhaus)

Wed Nov 10,12:50 PM ET
AP

Marines of the First Division sort out mail at a camp outside Fallujah, Iraq (news - web sites), Wednesday, Nov. 10, 2004. The mail was loaded on a truck for Marines inside Fallujah. (AP Photo/Anja Niedringhaus)

194 posted on 11/10/2004 11:39:47 AM PST by OXENinFLA
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To: demlosers

Great pic!!!....What Division is the 2nd INF??


195 posted on 11/10/2004 11:40:29 AM PST by Getsmart64 (LANTIRN - Designed to kill, maim, and destroy ....America's enemies...)
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To: demlosers
Great map, thanks.

I should resist the urge to admit seeing 19 potential cruise missile targets.

196 posted on 11/10/2004 11:42:41 AM PST by No Blue States
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To: OXENinFLA

Women and children seen firing at US soldiers. http://globalsecurity.org/military/ops/oif-phantom-fury-fallujah.htm


197 posted on 11/10/2004 11:43:36 AM PST by DarkCommander
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To: No Blue States; TexKat; All

Thank you for the great updates!


198 posted on 11/10/2004 11:44:36 AM PST by MEG33 ( Congratulations President Bush!..Thank you God. Four More Years!)
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To: DarkCommander

Global Security sux...just another anti-war site....


199 posted on 11/10/2004 11:46:38 AM PST by Getsmart64 (LANTIRN - Designed to kill, maim, and destroy ....America's enemies...)
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To: demlosers; No Blue States; OXENinFLA; TexKat
I am looking at the map .. I have not been able to be too faithful to continual presence here.. I have read here , I thought that we are surrounding them.. It looks like we are just attacking from the north (or are those our camps?)

I know we cant give game plans etc.. just wondering.. have we come in from all sides?

What was done - if we know - about the tunnels.

Is it the assumption that anyone remaining in city is the enemy.. kids/wifes? I understand they had LOTS of time to leave
200 posted on 11/10/2004 11:46:53 AM PST by DollyCali (Winning isn't everything. But losing really sucks. Sorry sKerry. You're a loser in all respects.)
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