Posted on 11/09/2004 8:13:22 PM PST by Dr. Marten
Unidentified Submarine Spotted Off Japan
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Nov 9, 10:52 PM (ET)
BY MARI YAMAGUCHI
TOKYO (AP) - Japan's navy forces went on alert early Wednesday after a foreign submarine was briefly spotted in its territorial waters, the government's top spokesman said.
The sub's country of origin and other details could not immediately be determined.
A reconnaissance aircraft and destroyer were dispatched to investigate, Chief Cabinet Secretary Hiroyuki Hosoda said.
The aircraft confirmed the submarine had entered Japanese territorial waters near the Sakishima islands in southern Okinawa prefecture but that it later left, he said.
Defense chief Yoshinori Ono issued an alert order to the navy, Hosoda said without elaborating.
"It's extremely regrettable," Hosoda said. "We have to find out and examine the details, including its purpose and origin."
Japan has been considering ways to boost its maritime defenses after a shoot out with a suspected North Korean spy ship in December 2001.
In that incident, Japanese Coast Guard patrol boats sank the suspected spy ship in a gunbattle off southwestern Japan. The patrol vessels returned fire only after the ship, ordered to stop, opened fire with a rocket and guns.
The Sakishima islands lie in waters between the northeastern tip of Taiwan and Okinawa's main island - some 1,000 miles south of Tokyo.
Ha! Perhaps it was the Ghost of Kerry's swiftboat - still looking for Cambodia?
Tiefer, und dann nach Yokohama
It would be nice if Japan had an aquatic robot they could send after the sub, which would catch up with and "lasso" it with a cable strong enough for a destroyer ship to reel it in. Then interrogate the crew.
A tug tried that off of New Jersey. Sub 1. Tug zip
Along with their three frogmen?
Samuri Pearl Divers.
Maybe if there was some way to plug up its propulsion ports and gun/torpedo ports.
Use a flux capacitor. It worked for Doc and Marty
You bet. Them Gol Dang Ruskie submariners take second to no one. Now their boats are another thing....
SS JIMMAH
Looks more like the SS Lawinsky (cigar shape, too).
It might be American. COMSUBPAC has never exactly been...ahem...timely in notifying the JMSDF about its force movements. Something about how we won WW2.
LMMFAO!!!!!
Wake up man.
Chinas New Challenge to the U.S.-Japan Alliance
by John J. Tkacik, Jr.
WebMemo #533
July 13, 2004 | printer-friendly format |
As Chinese warships and naval survey vessels ply Japanese waters hoping to stake their claim to potentially gas-rich seabeds, the United States is sending mixed signals to Japan on the U.S.-Japan alliance. Ambiguity in Washington may undermine Japanese confidence in the alliancein itself, a major strategic goal for Beijing. Washington must now publicly support Japan, our most important ally in Asia, if it hopes to deter China from further adventurism in Japans Exclusive Economic Zone.
Provocative Behavior
On Tuesday, July 6, Japanese antisubmarine aircraft spotted a Chinese naval survey vessel, the Nandiao 411, well within Japans Exclusive Economic Zone (EEZ). The Chinese foreign ministry declined to comment on the incursion, saying it had not received any report of naval survey activities.
On July 13, Japanese coast guard cutters discovered a Chinese civilian research vessel, the Xiangyanghong 9, within the EEZ and engaged in survey operations for which it had not sought, much less obtained, Japanese government permissiona possible violation of the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea (UNCLOS).[1] Japanese aircraft ordered the vessel to leave the area, but the Chinese ship refused to respond.
Even more ominously, on July 14, a Chinese naval vessel overtook a Japanese resource exploration ship inside the EEZ, forcing it to alter its route to avoid a collision.[2]
The Chinese navy has made a habit of traversing Japanese waters for the past two years, and Chinese ships and submarines have been particularly assertive in the past year. In January, the Japanese government declassified a report that Chinese naval vessels had entered the EEZ six times during 2003 to survey subsea routes for Chinese submarines to enter the Pacific. These incursions include two violations of Japans territorial waters by Ming class submarines in the vicinity of Kagoshima at the southern tip of Kyushu. So far this year, Japans Self Defense Forces have documented at least twelve violations of the EEZ, including three separate incursions northwest of the Senkaku Islands in May alone.
Alarmed by Chinas presence in Japanese waters, Tokyo will soon dispatch a civilian survey vessellooking for natural gasto the area near the Senkaku Islands (which China calls Diaoyutai) to assert its own EEZ rights. Beijings foreign ministry protested this news, claiming that the EEZ is disputed. It warned Tokyo not to take "any action that may imperil China's interest and complicate the current situation."
The Chinese navys sudden assertivenessindeed aggressivenessin Japanese waters is a test of the U.S.-Japan alliance. Washington must be careful not to confront this challenge with its traditional studied ambiguity. Ambiguous support for an ally against Chinas increasingly provocative territorial encroachments will encourage China to become more aggressive not just in Japanese waters, but also in the South China Sea and, of course, the Taiwan Strait.
China Has No Claim
The status of the Senkakus is clear. Japan first claimed the uninhabited and unclaimed islets in question in 1895 to use their rocky outcroppings for maritime navigation aids. From that time through the end of World War II, they were administered as part of Japans Okinawa prefecture. Upon the Japanese surrender, the United States administered the islets under a military occupation authority. In 1972, when the United States returned Okinawa to Japanese administration, the Senkakus were included in the reversion. There is, accordingly, no doubt that the United States has always regarded the islands as Japanese.
China and Taiwan have expressed interest in the islands since only 1968, when a United Nations Economic Commission for Asia report suggested there may be petroleum deposits in the seabed near the islets. (No petroleum or gas deposits have since been detected in the area.) On June 11, 1971, the Republic of China on Taiwan formally claimed the islands. After the United States returned the islands to Japan in the 1972 Okinawa Reversion Agreement, China lodged a formal protest with the U.S. government. Eager not to alienate Beijing just as President Nixon was beginning his opening to China, the U.S. State Department announced that the Reversion Agreement did not affect the sovereignty over disputed islands.
As recently as March 2004, the State Department accepted Chinas claims over the Senkakus as being equally valid as Japans title. Still, in a stance known affectionately in Japan as the Armitage Doctrine, U.S. officials have said that the U.S.-Japan Security Treaty covers all territories under the administration of Japan and there is no question that, as a matter of lawunder the Reversion Agreement, the alliance treaty, and the terms of the U.S. military occupation of the Ryukyu island chainthat the Senkakus are indeed under the administration of Japan. As such, any hostile activities against the islands would trigger the treaty.
In this context, China's forays into the Senkakus seem designed to probe where the bedrock of the U.S.-Japan alliance beginsor if it is there at all. Of course, Chinese survey vessels are also mapping the ocean bottom for the benefit of the countrys rapidly expanding submarine fleet.
Steps for the Administration
State clearly that the Senkakus are covered by the U.S.-Japan Security Treaty.
The United States cannot expect to avoid a showdown with China and Japan over the islands by continuing to tell China that it takes no position on the matter of sovereignty over the Senkakus. This only encourages China to force a confrontation with Japan over the islets, which will either draw the United States into the fray on Japans side or risk the collapse of the U.S.-Japan alliancean event China devoutly hopes to see.
The Administration must state firmly and publicly not only that the Senkakus are covered under the alliance and that the United States will support Japans claim as a matter of law, but also that the United States sees a prima facie case supporting Japans claims to sovereignty over the islands. While this would irritate Beijing, it would also be a clear message that the United States plans to remain a Pacific power and that Beijings aggressive territorial claims are counterproductive. Any continued confrontations in the area would be ample evidence of Beijings broader ambitions in Asia. Better to know now, than later. Either way, the United States must stand firmly and unequivocally with Japan.
Assist the Japanese Self Defense Forces in monitoring Chinese incursions.
While Chinas naval forays into Japans EEZ are perfectly legal under international law, Chinese oil and natural gas surveys are not. U.S. Naval forces should join Japanese forces in actively monitoring Chinese maritime operations in Japanese waters, as a demonstration of alliance strength and to dissuade China from believing testing the EEZ boundaries is cost-free.
The United States should view with alarm Chinas increasing aggressiveness in the Western Pacific and its continuing challenges to long-established maritime boundaries. The seabeds that China now claims have been under Japanese sovereignty for over a century. The United States has, over past years, reportedly reassured Japan that the territorial waters China now claimsand the islands they encompassfall within the ambit of Japanese administration and the U.S.-Japan Security Treaty. The United States should make this point firmly and thereby confront Chinas provocations with clarity instead of ambiguity.
John Tkacik, Jr., is Research Fellow in China Policy in the Asian Studies Center at The Heritage Foundation.
Hey, I'm telling you the facts. It could very well be a US submarine. Nice to know that you're willing to risk killing American sailors for the greater glory of Japan.
Do you really think Japan didn't first clear this with the US before announcing a breach of their territorial waters? Fool.
"Capt. Bill Murray, grateful there were no injuries, apologized to the Japanese people saying only that there was something "Lost in Translation" and that it was, in fact, Brazil who had actually dared him in the first place."
I'm telling you that COMSUBPAC has a long-standing habit of not telling COMPACFLT, the Japanese government, or anyone else about the exact whereabouts of American submarines in the Pacific.
Japan may very well have gone to the US--and COMSUBPAC would come back and say "nope, not us."
Two weeks later, they'd casually mention, "Oh, by the way, we did a submerged transit through Japanese waters a couple weeks back, no hurt, no blood, no foul, right?"
Oh, and the Japanese know this, too.
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