Posted on 11/09/2004 7:59:30 PM PST by Mulder
I'm looking to purchase a battle rifle next year in .308, and can't decide what I want to get.
I love the AR-15 rifles in 5.56mm, but have heard some bad things about reliability of the AR-10s. Also, the recoil is apparently more from this rifle than the other 308 semi-autos. But the AR-10 does have the advantage of having the same manual of arms as an AR-15.
Another consideration is the Springfield M1A Scout. The M1A was ranked #1 by Boston T. Party in his "Gun Bible", and has a lot going for it.
Finally, there is the FN-FAL. I don't know too much about this rifle, but a lot of folks seem to like it.
I want to mount either an Aimpoint or 4X ACOG to it, and setup it up as something I can use out to 300 yards or so. Of course, since it's .308 and can really reach out there, I want something accurate enough so that if I decide I want a semi-auto precision rifle, I can just put a Leupold scope on her, and be set.
Also, I really like the pistol grip and collapsible stocks on the AR-15s, and would prefer that furniture on my battle rifle as well. I *think* someone makes them for M1A, but aren't certain. So that is another consideration.
Thanks in advance!
EOTech is way better than an Aimpoint. Much better unrestricted field of view, and the circle/dot reticle is MUCH faster than the single dot of the Aimpoint. Aimpoint is 25 year old technology, EOTech is state of the art for 1X mag sighting. Nothing is faster for multiple moving targets, nothing.
Does anyone know a reputable FAL dealer? I'm looking for one in metric - the US-made models are way too expensive. (Might as well buy a M1A).
congrats, you've narrowed it down to about 4 or 5 choices or maybe 6 or 7. You should be able to make a choice very easily now...Personally, I will stick with my Ruger M-77 .300 win mag. for long shots although I am a great lover of the M-14 and used to prize the M-1 Garand over all battle rifles and it is still a fine weapon but others are now much better.
Be sure to read all three pages.
the HK91 however has neither and is simpler to maintain.
I have it on good authority that x-42 was stiffed on that day.
BTW have you read Durant's book? In the Company of Hero's. He tells things he didn't tell Bowden.
PS: the pictures taken through the EOTech sight don't really look like the reticle looks like to the shooter. It must be a trick of perspective or something, in the picture the reticle circle appears pea-size, but to the shooter, the reticle circle appears coin-sized. It just leaps out at you.
Para FN-Fal
find an original , not a kit
You can't do with 1 battle rifle.
The first one should be an M1 Garand.
Get it thrrough the department of Civilian Marksmanship.
Qualifying is not that hard but does take a few months.
Cheap way to get a fine rifle!
Here's de link Mann:
http://www.odcmp.com/
The M14 is real nice.
PING to self...
With the AWB gone can I get a good AK-47? ;-)
re: Para Fal , here's a few
http://www.gunbroker.com/auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=25191203
http://www.gunbroker.com/auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=25247333
not cheap , but hey, ya get what ya pay for....
self ping
Of course, it's mounted on my AR and I never tried it on my M1A, so you might just be right. HOWEVER, I am more than satisfied with the performance of my Aimpoint. The way it's mounted once I have acquired the sight picture the outside of the scope just disappears and all I have is that little red dot.
No matter how I try to screw things up, the bullet just keeps hitting within an inch of where that little dot is. That's good enough for me.
I've done stress fire drill with it, and I personally really like it. I suspect that, as usual, it's going to come down to ones personal preferences. IMO the best thing to do would be to mount one of each of them on whatever weapon one is considering buying and putting a few mags of ammo through it.
I used this method with the EOTECH and the Aimpoint and for me, and that's just for me, I found that I preferred the Aimpoint product.
I really wanted an ACOG, but I didn't have that kind of dough in the budget at the time.
Sorry to pick nits buddy, but I don't think that it would well serve friend Mulder to advise him to not check out both products.
I think the whole argument is just a bit academic as he seems interested in 7.62 NATO rifles and I must say that I don't think either system is suitable for FN or M1A platforms.
However, IIRC didn't Triji make a really nice optical system designed for the FN platform? For some reason I seem to remember something I saw in a Cheaper Than Dirt catalog a few months back.
Good seeing you again. When's EFAD II coming out?
Regards,
L
Coming in on the FAL side of the argument, I'd also point out that the field-adjustable gas system can be a life-saver if you're really running through the ammo. When there's no time to clean a battle-fouled rifle, the adjustable gas system will allow you to put rounds down range for a while longer.
General take - a well set-up M14 shoots like a dream, but the economics of it make it a pricey item. Used to own an HK91 - shot really well, but it did tend to beat me up, recoil-wise. Also, that delayed roller block assembly can be a royal bitch to contend with when you're trying to clean the rifle out in the field and under some pressure. The FALs I have shot way better than I can, and I could and did afford two of them (plus another kit for spares) for the price of a nicely turned out Springfield Armory M14.
Another StG 58 FAL note - after about 60-80 rounds or so, it does tend to get a bit hot around the foregrip. GLoves of some sort are a good idea for any battle kit.
As harpseal used to say, "Stay well, stay safe, stay armed."
It ain't over yet, not by a long shot.
What if you live in Kalifornia?
Can any of these be legal?
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