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Environmentalists Sue Over Snowmobile Plan
AP ^ | 11/9/4 | Becky Bohrer

Posted on 11/09/2004 3:43:26 PM PST by Ahriman

Environmental groups have filed a lawsuit over the National Park Service's plan for allowing snowmobiles in Yellowstone National Park for the next three winters.

The environmentalists claim the government failed to take into account the effect that trails groomed for snowmobiles have on wildlife, particularly bison that travel the roads during the winter.

The lawsuit was filed last week in federal court in Washington, D.C., after the Park Service issued a "finding of no significant impact" for its winter snowmobile plans, an attorney said.

The environmental groups are asking the judge to prevent officials from implementing the plan and to stop trail grooming "in some or all of" Yellowstone until there is compliance with environmental laws and Park Service policies.

"The general rule is that, if you're not sure about the impact of something, you don't do it," said Howard Crystal, an attorney for the groups that filed the suit.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; Philosophy; Politics/Elections; US: Montana; US: Wyoming
KEYWORDS: environment; snowmobiles; yellowstone
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1 posted on 11/09/2004 3:43:26 PM PST by Ahriman
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To: Ahriman
Someone needs to sue Environmental groups for being a royal pain in the rear...


2 posted on 11/09/2004 3:45:42 PM PST by darkwing104 (Let's get dangerous)
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To: Ahriman

"The general rule is that, if you're not sure about the impact of something, you don't do it,"

sure am glad that Jefferson, Edison, Franklin, Ford, Wright brothers, Gates and an endless list of others didn't feel this way!


3 posted on 11/09/2004 3:53:32 PM PST by socialismisinsidious ("A government that is big enough to give you all you want is big enough to take it all away.")
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To: Ahriman
I find this particularly funny since I have a former liberal friend who went to Yellowstone in the winter and rode snowmobiles. Aren't liberals a hoot? They just love to control everyone else and restrict their rights while they ignore their own hypocrisy.
4 posted on 11/09/2004 4:02:08 PM PST by pepperdog
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To: Ahriman

I'm sorry but I must disagree with the admin on this.

Snowmobiles are a class A nuisance to CC skiers and
anyone who wants to breath clean air in the park.

Those infernal machines stink up the place, make loads
of racket, and are occaisionally driven by rude obnoxious
yahoos. I say keep 'em on private land or national forest
but not the park.


5 posted on 11/09/2004 4:10:41 PM PST by rahbert
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To: rahbert
Those infernal machines stink up the place, make loads of racket, and are occaisionally driven by rude obnoxious yahoos.

Based on your reasoning we need to ban cars from The Park too.

6 posted on 11/09/2004 4:12:45 PM PST by ElkGroveDan (Santorum 2008)
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To: ElkGroveDan

Could we?


7 posted on 11/09/2004 4:29:19 PM PST by rahbert
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To: ElkGroveDan
The snowmobiles in Yellowstone are restricted to the roadways, must be clean burning (pretty much a 4 stroke), must obey the posted speed limit (25 most areas, 35 in some), most (if not all) must be in a group with a guide, and are limited in number daily (something like 1100 a day MAX for all entrances).

West Yellowstone alone has something like 1300 rental machines. The season that snowmobiles were banned in the park was devastating to their economy as they are strictly a tourist town.

And yet in the summer it is almost a solid stream of cars rolling down the road, the campgrounds are all full, and there are people EVERYWHERE!

Sigh.....
8 posted on 11/09/2004 4:36:34 PM PST by NorthernTraveler
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Don't have to tell me. I lived in Bozeman for 4 years. I love snowmobiles and the Park.


9 posted on 11/09/2004 4:40:51 PM PST by ElkGroveDan (Santorum 2008)
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To: rahbert

No. This is America.


10 posted on 11/09/2004 4:42:06 PM PST by ElkGroveDan (Santorum 2008)
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To: Ahriman

Tough kitty you watermelon commie front eco-extremists.

Clinton, you and the many land-grabbers have brought out many snowmobilers and other working class off-roaders to vote Republican in recent years BECAUSE of your lies and lockups. All I can say is keep it up morans.


11 posted on 11/09/2004 4:45:06 PM PST by soycd
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To: Ahriman

After 4 more years of "Bush policies", global warming will eliminate the need for snowmobiles.


12 posted on 11/09/2004 4:48:52 PM PST by digger48
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To: farmfriend


13 posted on 11/09/2004 4:49:10 PM PST by Libertarianize the GOP (Make all taxes truly voluntary)
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To: rahbert

Tough. Snowmobilers use the same roads as all the other dirty velicles use in the Summer. You can XC in any of the hundreds of millions of WILDERNESS (including Yellowstone trails) where not even a WHEELCHAIR is allowed.

There is enough land locked up from us off-roaders (and unplowed roaders in the Yellowstone case) to keep every treehugging liberal hiking and out of sight of real Americans for the rest of their pathetic and bossy lives.


14 posted on 11/09/2004 4:49:44 PM PST by soycd
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NO! Can we ban your vehicles on my deadend dirt road because we don't like people driving vehicles where we drive vehicles?

Look at the sign when you enter Yellowstone Park...

"For the pleasuring and enjoyment of HUMANS"!!!

Many of us half-crippled can't hike or ski 100 miles in a day to see Old Faithful in the Winter so we ride a Snowmobile instead. Get used to it...this is America.


15 posted on 11/09/2004 4:54:23 PM PST by soycd
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To: digger48

Goodbye. DU is missing their ignorant watermelon.


16 posted on 11/09/2004 4:56:34 PM PST by soycd
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To: Ahriman

For the Beavers, doncha know...


17 posted on 11/09/2004 4:57:41 PM PST by Windsong (FighterPilot)
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To: rahbert

Yellowstone is for everyone, including the handicapped, the elderly, pregnant women and young children who can't ski or snowshoe.

If you don't like snowmobiles, go buy some land and ban whatever you want.


18 posted on 11/09/2004 6:08:26 PM PST by sergeantdave (Tun Tavern, Nov. 10, 1775 - Happy birthday, Devil Dogs!)
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To: rahbert

(Snowmobiles are a class A nuisance to CC skiers and
anyone who wants to breath clean air in the park. )

May I suggest giving up CC skiing and buying a snow mobile?And that clean air crap?please, the only thing better than the smell of gasoline is when it's mixed with a good 2 stroke racing fuel ahhh.


19 posted on 11/09/2004 7:04:04 PM PST by edchambers
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To: Ahriman; abbi_normal_2; Ace2U; adam_az; Alamo-Girl; Alas; alfons; alphadog; amom; AndreaZingg; ...
Rights, farms, environment ping.
Let me know if you wish to be added or removed from this list.
I don't get offended if you want to be removed.
20 posted on 11/09/2004 10:14:55 PM PST by farmfriend ( In Essentials, Unity...In Non-Essentials, Liberty...In All Things, Charity.)
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