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Tancredo (In Dismay Over Media Blackout): Immigration Milestone Draws Little Media Coverage
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Posted on 11/09/2004 12:35:49 AM PST by Happy2BMe

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To: andyk
Certainly, it's a stretch to say this affects voters' rights.

Actually, it does. Perhaps not in the way you're thinking, but it affects my rights - and, more importantly, my vote - tremendously.

If we allow illegals to vote, then they are negating your vote. Your vote becomes invalid, regardless of how you vote. If we let illegals vote, then there is no longer a reason to become a citizen. Isn't your birthright from the Founding Fathers a little more precious than that?

21 posted on 11/09/2004 6:40:40 AM PST by HiJinx (Support Our Troops ~ www.ProudPatriots.com)
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To: LS

I notice TT's criticism comes on the heels of Bush's re-lection. It'd be nice if Bush was using him as a stalking horse - maybe wishful thinking.


22 posted on 11/09/2004 6:41:05 AM PST by skeeter
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To: Happy2BMe

I was at the DMV here in Longmont, Co. yesterday and a Mexican gentleman sat down at the booth next to me wanting to register a car. The lady asked him for his driver's liscense and he pulls out a Matricular Consular card. She said "we don't accept those" and he said something to the effect that "they did in Arizona". He wanted to register a car that was in the police impound lot and for which he didn't have any insurance. Nice try. At least he was TRYING to obey our laws.


23 posted on 11/09/2004 6:52:32 AM PST by dljordan
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To: MissAmericanPie

Ditto. BTTT.


24 posted on 11/09/2004 6:58:26 AM PST by Dutchgirl (Be still and know that I am God.- Psalm 46:10)
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To: dljordan
We've got a lot of work to do.

We're in beyond the point of no return with Mexico.

We've got to figure it out.

25 posted on 11/09/2004 7:52:31 AM PST by Happy2BMe (It's not quite time to rest - John Kerry is still out there (and so is Hillary))
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To: dljordan
"He wanted to register a car that was in the police impound lot and for which he didn't have any insurance. Nice try. At least he was TRYING to obey our laws."

No kidding?

Here they just walk away from the impound fees and spend the money on another car. If they (usually) don't bother to register in the first place, the prior owner has to be able to prove the sale.

And, don't get too excited, a similar law in California was first ignored and then deemed illegal only a few years ago. (186??)

26 posted on 11/09/2004 7:57:51 AM PST by norton
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To: skeeter

I do think that immigration will be THE issue of the 2008 campaign, if not 2006---probably insofar as it has some tie-in to terrorism. What is Owens' position on immigration?


27 posted on 11/09/2004 8:22:55 AM PST by LS
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To: MissAmericanPie

Bump that.


28 posted on 11/09/2004 8:46:58 AM PST by Joe Hadenuf (I failed anger management class, they decided to give me a passing grade anyway)
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To: dljordan

How do you know it was his car?


29 posted on 11/09/2004 8:48:45 AM PST by Joe Hadenuf (I failed anger management class, they decided to give me a passing grade anyway)
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To: LS

Dunno how much help we can expect fm that quarter. Owens, like most republicans, seems to think the illegal immigration issue has replaced SSI as a political 'third rail'.


30 posted on 11/09/2004 8:50:21 AM PST by skeeter
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To: Joe Hadenuf

Hmmm. Good question. I just ASSumed.


31 posted on 11/09/2004 9:05:24 AM PST by dljordan
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To: Happy2BMe

Tancredo bump.


32 posted on 11/09/2004 9:31:46 AM PST by StoneColdGOP (She calls me *Mini-Merc*)
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To: HiJinx
Actually, it does. Perhaps not in the way you're thinking, but it affects my rights - and, more importantly, my vote - tremendously.

If we allow illegals to vote, then they are negating your vote. Your vote becomes invalid, regardless of how you vote. If we let illegals vote, then there is no longer a reason to become a citizen. Isn't your birthright from the Founding Fathers a little more precious than that?


This article is about a proposition that precludes illegals from voting. Some are suggesting that precluding illegals from voting somehow affects voters' rights. If that is the case, then this state proposition must be approved by the federal government, as it would be covered by the voting rights act.

I'm saying that precluding illegals from voting does not affect my right to vote (it simply returns us to what should be the natural order of things, according to our constitution), and is therefore excluded from the voting rights act regulations.

Keep in mind that, to me, this is not the same as answering the question of whether allowing illegals to vote interferes with my right to vote. In that case, I believe it does.
33 posted on 11/09/2004 11:24:29 AM PST by andyk
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To: StoneColdGOP

I wrote in Tancredo/Duncan Hunter. I will never vote for anyone who will allow amnesty or any form of it.

Karl Rove doesn't like Tancredo, to Karl, Tancredo is just a pain in the butt that is getting in the way of his FTAA plan. Bush seems pretty clueless about border security, he wasn't even aware of how many agents he added. See below for Bill O'Reilly's interview with Bush in September 2004-if you read this and cannot figure out what's up then you haven't a clue-Bush has NO intentions of doing jack about the problem:

O'REILLY: A "Time" magazine investigation says, 3 million illegal aliens crossed the Mexican border, and we talked about this four and a half years...

BUSH: We have. I know it's a issue that you're concerned about.

O'REILLY: Every year, 3.5 million illegals come over. Why can't the federal government control that?

BUSH: Well, as you know, as the governor of Texas, I was very aware of this issue. There is a long border, that makes it hard to control. We have beefed up places along the border to try to stop the process of...

O'REILLY: With all due respect, though, it's not working, with 3 million...

BUSH: It's working a little better. They're doing a pretty good job down in Arizona, which is the main border crossing. But I was trying to get my words here for a minute. I was trying to give you some facts. I think there's a thousand more border patrol agents along the border, we're modernizing border techniques, we're using better surveillance methods to stop crossing at the border. Now, look, people are coming up because they want to work. You know, family values don't stop at the border.

O'REILLY: Absolutely,

BUSH: If you can make 50 cents in the interior of Mexico, and five bucks in the interior of the United States, you're coming for the five bucks, and they're poor.

O'REILLY: Ninety percent of them are, but 10 percent are bad guys.

BUSH: Well, look...

O'REILLY: A lot of bad guys coming here.

BUSH: I don't know how you got the 10 percent number, maybe...

O'REILLY: The border patrol you know, incarceration, violent crime, that...

BUSH: No question about it. It is a serious issue. I happen to believe the best way to enhance the border is to have temporary worker cards available for people. And I think it's best for the employers who are employing these people. I think it's best for the employees that are trying to find work. I think the long-term solution for this issue on our border is for Mexico to grow a middle class. That's why I believe in NAFTA ...

O'REILLY: We'll be in the grave.

BUSH: I don't think so. It's happening. Look, I wish I could have taken you down there and shown you the northern tier of states in Mexico ten years ago compared to today. I mean, it's happening.

Free trade helps lift lives, free trade develops commerce, free trade gives people a chance to realize their dreams. And so long as the wage differential is as big as it is, and so long as moms and dads feel the necessity to feed their children, they're going to come and try to make a living.

O'REILLY: So you're not going to militarize the border to stop...

BUSH: No, we're going to use the border patrol, beef it up, give it better technologies and better equipment to do its job.

O'REILLY: OK. You know a lot of people are not going to like that answer, you know that.

BUSH: Well it's a truthful answer.

O'REILLY: OK.

BUSH: I mean, as opposed as to what, putting a military on the border,

O'REILLY: Yes, [use the] military to back up the border patrol, to just stop the, rampant...

BUSH: No, I think the best way to do it is to give the border patrol the assets it needs to do its job.


34 posted on 11/09/2004 11:35:49 AM PST by Liberalism=MentalDisorder
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To: Liberalism=MentalDisorder
I wrote in Tancredo/Duncan Hunter. I will never vote for anyone who will allow amnesty or any form of it.

Good write-ins. Mine was Tancredo with Michelle Malkin.

35 posted on 11/09/2004 1:01:41 PM PST by StoneColdGOP (She calls me *Mini-Merc*)
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To: eyespysomething
The measure was supported at the polls by 47% of Latino voters.

No different than the folks who move from Cobb or DeKalb or Fulton or Gwinnett and want to then impose stricter zoning to keep everybody else out.

By the way, Tancredo and I wanna know what you believe.

36 posted on 11/09/2004 1:07:50 PM PST by SittinYonder (Tancredo and I wanna know what you believe)
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To: SittinYonder

I believe men like Tancredo are few and far between. People like him are our only hope.


37 posted on 11/09/2004 1:39:51 PM PST by Liberalism=MentalDisorder
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To: Happy2BMe

BTTT for Tancredo.


38 posted on 11/09/2004 3:29:59 PM PST by 4.1O dana super trac pak (Stop the open borders death cult)
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To: Darkwolf377

FYI - from a few weeks ago...


Free Republic Opinion Poll: Do you approve of the plan to let some of the eight million illegal aliens in the United States move toward legal status without penalty -- but with social security benefits?
Composite Opinion
No 85.2% 1,400
Yes 8.8% 145
Undecided 6.0% 98
100.0% 1,643



39 posted on 11/10/2004 11:56:40 AM PST by AuntB (Most provisional ballots are from voters not eligible to vote!!! Ask a poll worker!)
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