Posted on 11/08/2004 10:07:31 PM PST by crushelits
Bump. Good for the Italians, standing up for the kids.
That sucking sound you hear is Justice O'Connor taking a big breath before reminding us once again that we have to bring our laws into line with european law -- this time to permit the desecration of holy matrimony.
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What about the civil rights of adopted children? What about their right to a mother and a father?
Bump.
Italians are very good people in the main.
We should start declaring that it is our cival right not to be bothered by moronic liberal ideals that waste our tax dollars as well as our time.
Have you noticed that our civil rights are not equal to their civil rights?!!! Normal has become outside the "main-stream"!
Just another case of the liberals not understanding the simple concept that THEY ARE NOT THE WORLD MAJORITY.
There are "Red State rednecks", as they call them, ALL over the world, and there are a lot more of us than there are of them.
overheard at Dem headquarters: "ugggh - how unenlightened!!! If only these backward yokels were as sophisticated as those in Europe... (what was that? these WERE Europeans??) but this... does .... not compute... Europeans are always right.... Radical Homosexuals are always right... warning warning... system overload"
I'm in Italy and I know this question. But, pay attention friends freepers. This poll is not so representative of the middle italian way of thinking (and voting...). Italians (left and right) are very liberal in general and I don't think that a referendum against gay-marriage could pass (not only because it need here more that 50% of voters to the poll). Besides, Italian Constitution states in the Art. 29, that: "The Republic recognises the rights of the family as a natural society founded on matrimony. Matrimony is based on the moral and legal equality of the spouses within the limits laid down by law to guarantee the unity of the family.". Theorically nobody could prevent a gay family (is it natural?), because we have not a second oreder low. This is not my opinion, it's only a contribution to the discussion. Thank to all!
Alessandro
P.S. More in particular: if a leftist Parliament, in the future, states that matrimony is indipendent from the gender of the spouses, we could have immediately a PAC similar to French low. But the Italian Constitution does not help.
Rome allowed liberals IN THE CHURCH free rein. They reap what they sow.
I just have a gut feeling that a lot of the general population in Spain, which for many, many years was a religious country, do not like the fact that this new Socialist gov't made gay marriage legal. I think the next election Spain has, these bozo's will be out on their derriere's (that's butt in English), mark my words. I think even Spain has it's silent moral majority. The only reason these socialists got in was because of their equivalent of our 9/11, but the populace there will find out that hiring Socialists to run their country will not bring them safety from the terrorists who have been plotting anew in Spain (they recently arrested another Al Qaeda related terrorist cell plotting terrorist attacks in Spain). And I believe that the day after they elected these Socialists thinking it would save them from more terrorist attacks, many of the Spanish people had immediate buyer remorse. Now I may be wrong here, but we'll see who they vote in next election after Spain starts going morally downhill and the gov't gives the people less safety under Socialist rule. The proof will be in the pudding.
You are correct. Franco is gone, not forgotten. El Cid is gone, not forgotten. The left will be banished over time. The Moor Slayer will return to Spain.
Thanks for the insight, very interesting. My wife is Italian. Judging by her family, there's hope for the future.
On another subject, I'm still wondering how some of the U.S. election rhetoric was received in Italy. Specifically, the comment by Kerry that some military organization was so weak that even the Italians could kick their @$$es. I made sure my wife, who watched not a second of the debates, heard about that one. She got that "oh yeah?" look in her eye.
Dear friend, the comment of Kerry passed a little only because our great Minister of Defense, Martino, decided to underline his disappointment. That's all.
Instead, there are many American leftist rats (Professors and so on) who are currently writing on our newspaper that Bush has no mandate (and that republican voters - they write - are all integralists and topers. I hate these American rats!). Today, I've written (in Italian) my own answer on an electronic newspaper, mocking a previous comment on Bush (Professor Stephen Martin is a rat). When it is published (I hope so), I'll say you and the FReeper all, where to find it. It's incredible, Dems and European left are so angry and mystifier. Our EU-Commissar-candidate Buttiglione has been fired, as you know, because he is a catholic!. In the Usa you have rats, but Italian leftists are even worse! They have the real power and they use it! In common (you and we conservatives), we have a media bias really strong. But we would need a Fox channel, but we haven't any now.
With all of Berlusconi's media holdings, none of the TV stations/networks are to the political right (or even center)?
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