The Antiwar Right Is Ready to Rumble

NY TIMES ^ | 11/8/04 | Kirkpatrick

[Little Ray]

Its ours if we want it.

And creating a representative democracy out of a bunch of tribal nutjobs in 3-4 years is your idea of a reasonable plan? I hope it works. It would be an ideal solution: undermine the remaining governments without firing a shot. But there are times I don't see much hope for it.

At least its more reasonable than retreating into citadels and watching the country go to hell around us. Maybe we could call them "Norquist forts."

[tpaine]

dirtboy wrote:

How long have you been posting here?

Longer than dirt.

And you believe something the NY Times writes about intramural squabbles within the conservative movement?

No, -- I believe we will withdraw to our bases & let the Iraqis fight it out for control of their internal politics, -- if we are smart.

Actually I'd bet [& have been saying all along] that has been 'the plan' since day one.

[sinkspur]

Its ours if we want it.

No it's not. Iraq belongs to the Iraqis.

And, I'm also not for "converting" Muslims. Many of them already resent Christians, and U.S.-sanctioned conversion efforts would be a disaster.

[HiJinx]

Norquist: Mr. Bush now has two years to "solve Iraq" to protect Republican candidates at the midterm elections, he said.

STFU, Grover. Because Syria, Iran, and North Korea are all standing in line for their whuppin'. You idiot, do you really believe Iraq is the end of the anti-terror campaign?

[tallhappy]

Oh. You posted this as a serious article.

Funny.

[tallhappy]

I kinda like "grat chowder" better.

Poetic. Gets the point across despite not knowing what it is.

[dennisw]

So you're cool with the Iranian- and Syrian-backed thugs taking over in Iraq? Get real.

Some ostriches missed the news of the huge trade deal between the ChiComs and Iran. Chinese will be more than happy to step in and dominate the Middle East if we cut and run. Russia steps in too.

Iran sells China discounted oil and China sells Iran the protection of it's nuclear umbrella and other high tech military goodies. Nuke technology, missile technology and more.

[tpaine]

Control your emotions or take them to the backroom.

I've backed our invasion of Iraq since day one. We needed the bases there, and we will stay there as long as we please.

But I see no reason for any GI to die over 'policing' Iraqi internal political squabbles.

[ex-snook]

The jury is still out. If the GIs come home from Iraq after stopping them from 'killing their own people' and changing their mind into not 'hating us and their neighbors', then Conservatives against the Iraq war will be wrong. I'm not holding my breath.

[Alberta's Child]

Before we can even think of converting anyone else to Christianity, we might think about converting ourselves here in the U.S. first.

[tpaine]

sinkspur wrote:

-- we simply cannot allow the country to be taken over by radical Islamists.

Which faction in Iraq is not "radical islamists"?

[Bob J]

All Norquist is guilty of is trying to thwart the dems efforts to put another minority voting block in their column. He brought in the same Muslim leaders that had been trooping to Hillary's door for eight years and that other pub leaders and government departments had been meeting with over a period of time.

And he is also guilty of trying to institute pro democratic and pro capitalism reforms in the Middle East. Let's take him out and shoot him.

The only way we'll win this war against worldwide terror is by aligning with the moderate elements, supporting them and turning the movement on itself.

It's a good thing that people who pull their six shooters every time they see what they believe to be a boogeyman aren't making the real decisions and devising long term strategic plans. It's short thinkers like that that hurt progress more than help it.

[sinkspur]

The large majority of Iraqis are not radical Islamists.

[Bob J]

"I'm not a friend of Nordquist's faction."

I'm sure that keeps him up at night.

[Bob J]

They have no details, only innuendo and short sightedness.

[Tempest]

Sorry, you are a fool if you think surrendering to democrats is a great way to further conservatives causes.

But hey, don't let that logic stop you.

[Cobra64]

I know. Some folks were never taught what what the purpose of a paragraph is.

I never read any posts here if there is more than two or three sentences involved, or if there is no break in the topic. Makes you dizzy, doesn't it?

[Bob J]

If you don't think Bush has to have Iraq primarily solved with troops being pulled out by the midterms, you don't understand politics.

[thoughtomator]

All I can tell you is that we must have radically different perceptions of what Islam is and what it means to the rest of the world. I do not believe in the fiction of the "moderate Muslim" any more than I believe in unicorns. Every alleged "moderate Muslim" turns out to be either a murderous radical (a la Arafat) or not truly Muslim at all (e.g., the Muslim reform movement, which denies core Islamic beliefs).

[tpaine]

Grow up. -- I am not praising Nordquist.

We intend to stay in our hard won Iraqi bases.
But why get GIs killed doing police work? Answer, -- We won't, - Not much longer.

Eventually we will have to let the Iraqi's themselves fight it out for control. I say the sooner the better.