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Court challenge begins in Georgia on evolution
AP ^ | Nov. 7, 2004

Posted on 11/07/2004 3:16:34 PM PST by Ahriman

School officials in suburban Cobb County go to court Monday to defend themselves against a lawsuit accusing the district of promoting religion by requiring that science textbooks warn students evolution is "a theory, not a fact."

The trial in U.S. District Court is expected to last four days.

The lawsuit argues that the disclaimer restricts the teaching of evolution, promotes the teaching of creationism and discriminates against particular religions.

County school officials said their warning, in the form of stickers inserted in science books, simply encourages students to keep an open mind.

The stickers read: "This textbook contains material on evolution. Evolution is a theory, not a fact, regarding the origin of living things. This material should be approached with an open mind, studied carefully and critically considered."

The lawsuit was filed by six parents and the Georgia chapter of the American Civil Liberties Union.

"I'm a strong advocate for the separation of church and state," said one of the parents, Jeffrey Selman. "I have no problem with anybody's religious beliefs. I just want an adequate educational system."


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; US: Georgia
KEYWORDS: crevolist; evolution; scienceeducation
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To: longshadow

Quagmire!


21 posted on 11/07/2004 4:08:39 PM PST by PatrickHenry (Felix, qui potuit rerum cognoscere causas.)
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Earlier threads on the Georgia situation:

E-word brings out the e-mail [Evolution in Georgia schools].
Georgia may shun 'evolution' in schools.
Evolution Challenged in Georgia School Debate.
Georgia Takes on 'Evolution'.

22 posted on 11/07/2004 4:17:55 PM PST by PatrickHenry (Felix, qui potuit rerum cognoscere causas.)
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To: Strategerist

Is it a foregone conclusion in the "scientific community" that life has an origin?


23 posted on 11/07/2004 4:23:50 PM PST by cornelis (There is no scientific community without a zip code.)
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To: GOPologist
Evolution describes how life evolves, not how it began. The folks putting these "disclaimers" in text books should be required to tell their readers that a theory is a scientific hypothesis which has not been disproved. Those of us who have studied evolution and teach it know the only myth we have to face is Creationism.
24 posted on 11/07/2004 4:30:06 PM PST by hyperpoly8 (Illegitimati Non Carborundum)
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To: Batrachian

Which religion promulgates the theory of evolution? This is news to me.
HUMANISM


25 posted on 11/07/2004 4:32:48 PM PST by loboinok (GUN CONTROL IS HITTING WHAT YOU AIM AT.)
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To: Ahriman

"This textbook contains material on evolution. Evolution is a theory, not a fact, regarding the origin of living things. This material should be approached with an open mind, studied carefully and critically considered."


Oh heavens no....we can't have a text book tell students to have an open mind, study carefully and consider things critically....what do they think this is....a school where people are supposed to be educated instead of indoctrinated?

How dare they tell students to think....sheesh.


26 posted on 11/07/2004 4:37:26 PM PST by MissouriConservative (We will always remember, always be proud, always be prepared, so we may always be free)
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To: ClearCase_guy

There's nothing "Christian" about the textbook requirements, just a refusal to admit the hard scientific fact of natural selection.


27 posted on 11/07/2004 6:14:35 PM PST by RightWingAtheist (Krugman? More like Kool-Aid Man)
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To: Batrachian

None of the world's major religions promulagates the theory of evolution, unless someone has formed a new Christian sect based on the teachings of Teilhard de Chardin.


28 posted on 11/07/2004 6:18:30 PM PST by RightWingAtheist (Krugman? More like Kool-Aid Man)
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To: GOPologist

Science has done a far better job at explaining the origins of life than any religious scriptures. I'm always shaking my head in befuddlement when people who refuse to believe the hard evidence provided by science so unquestionly accept the account of creation in a 3000 year old book for which there is no supporting evidence.


29 posted on 11/07/2004 6:23:39 PM PST by RightWingAtheist (Krugman? More like Kool-Aid Man)
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To: MissouriConservative

So you will also agree that students should be taught to be equally critical and skeptical of the Biblical account of creation as well, correct?


30 posted on 11/07/2004 6:25:05 PM PST by RightWingAtheist (Krugman? More like Kool-Aid Man)
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To: RightWingAtheist
Evolution does not answer 1) how life began or 2) how totally new species came about. Evolution deals with genetic variation within a given species. There is no corresponding theory like evolution that explains 1 or 2.

These things are currently supernatural in that there is no scientific theory that can describe how inanimate chemicals and minerals became alive, or how once alive they increased in complexity to creat new species.

You may choose not to believe that the Bible's God was the creator of us, but you cannot say that evolution did. It requires a different answer not yet known.

31 posted on 11/07/2004 6:31:59 PM PST by RobFromGa (End the Filibuster for Judicial appointments in January 05)
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To: RightWingAtheist

I think the students should be given all sides of the issues and let them make up their own mind.

Do you have a problem with that?


32 posted on 11/07/2004 6:32:30 PM PST by MissouriConservative (We will always remember, always be proud, always be prepared, so we may always be free)
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To: MissouriConservative
I have a problem when schools start teaching half-truths instead of truths, and promote fallacies instead of facts. Instead of critical thinking, what this particular county school board is teaching is cultural relativism, something which has already screwed up whole generations of kids.

There is no right and left in science-only right and wrong.

33 posted on 11/07/2004 6:37:05 PM PST by RightWingAtheist (Krugman? More like Kool-Aid Man)
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To: Ahriman

I keep hearing liberals on the lecture circuit claim that conservatism is based on faith rather than fact. In reality, liberalism is based on faith rather than fact. The atheism of liberals takes far more faith to than Christianity does because the former requires the rejection of a self-evident truth: that the universe, like anything else that has a beginning, cannot be self-caused.


34 posted on 11/07/2004 6:40:11 PM PST by Holden Magroin
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To: RightWingAtheist

"I have a problem when schools start teaching half-truths instead of truths, and promote fallacies instead of facts."


So do I, that's why I am against them teaching evolution as a fact and not a theory.

Glad to see we are in agreement.


35 posted on 11/07/2004 6:41:19 PM PST by MissouriConservative (We will always remember, always be proud, always be prepared, so we may always be free)
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To: MissouriConservative
Evolution is a fact and a theory supported by the facts. There are no facts to support creationism, only wishful thinking.
36 posted on 11/07/2004 6:47:01 PM PST by RightWingAtheist (Krugman? More like Kool-Aid Man)
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To: RightWingAtheist
"Evolution is a fact and a theory supported by the facts"

Sorry, but we have to disagree over that snippet. I have yet to see any facts concerning macro-evolution and micro-evolution is not evolution at all, only adaptation. Too many discrepancies concerning evolution to call it "fact."

Might as well face it, we will never agree on this issue....I believe what I believe and I teach what I believe to my homeschooled daughters (only one is now being homeschooled, the other is in college now).

By the way, if you want more information on creation science, I'd suggest the following website:

Institute for Creation Research
37 posted on 11/07/2004 6:51:57 PM PST by MissouriConservative (We will always remember, always be proud, always be prepared, so we may always be free)
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To: MissouriConservative
TIME CUBE . Much more informative than your link.
38 posted on 11/07/2004 6:56:50 PM PST by PatrickHenry (Felix, qui potuit rerum cognoscere causas.)
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To: RightWingAtheist
There is no right and left in science-only right and wrong.

I hear the sound of clicking heels.

39 posted on 11/07/2004 9:20:14 PM PST by cornelis
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To: RightWingAtheist

Evolution is a fact and a theory supported by the facts.

Agreed, but is it a foregone conclusion that there is an origin to life?


40 posted on 11/07/2004 9:24:24 PM PST by cornelis
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