It Ain't Over.....Yet!

November 5, 2004 | Fred Marshall Jr

[DJ Taylor]

It Ain't Over....YET!

by Fred Marshall Jr. November 5, 2004

Many people, including a small number of uninformed veterans I suppose, mistakenly believe the efforts of the Swift Boat Vererans and POWs for Truth were politically motivated and intended to aid President Bush's re-election campaign. To believe that is to overlook the key word in the group's name...."TRUTH"....and requires disregarding the evidence presented by that group, plus additional information which surfaced as other inquiring minds were motivated to dig into Kerry's background during the campaign.

John Kerry would like everyone to believe SwiftVets was just a temporary political organization out to misrepresent his "heroic" military service in Vietnam and smear his "good name." He would like us to believe that SwiftVets was somehow connected to the Bush campaign. But it isn't, and never was.

SwiftVets' need to reveal the truth....and America's need to hear it....did not end with the election. Efforts must continue because it is really frightening just how close this country came to electing, as its president, a man who has spent his entire adult lifetime working AGAINST this country. We must cautiously and conscientiously guard against any future recurrence, the identity of any potential candidate notwithstanding. Don't forget how long Alger Hiss and Whitaker Chambers worked in high-level government jobs in the FDR-Truman administrations, spied for the Soviet Union, yet went unexposed until 1948-49.

The Alger Hiss Case http://www.crimelibrary.com/terrorists_spies/spies/hiss/1.html

Richard Nixon was certain the 1960 election had been rigged to elect JFK, but he conceded....for the good of the country....rather than ignite a Constitutional crisis that could have damaged the United States significantly at a critical time in history (Gore wasn't so morally restrained in 2000, unfortunately). Even after having won a later election, when proof of illegal electioneering and criminal break-ins surfaced, Nixon resigned as the quickest way to curtail extensive investigations that could have revealed even more damaging evidence. To that degree, at least, he was somewhat "honorable."

Gary Hart withdrew from the presidential primaries when information about his adulterous affair would have, if released, damaged him. His mere withdrawal destroyed him, as it turned out.

Gary Hart's dalliance with 29-year-old model Donna Rice derailed 1988 run http://talkleft.com/new_archives/003528.html

Despite several historical examples of how quickly the public airing of past indiscriminate acts can ruin a person's political life, John Kerry is without equal in his strong belief that the majority of Americans are ignorant and gullible. His arrogance is boundless.

The Clinton years gave birth to a new and effective strategy; maliciously attack the bearers of truth until they are discredited in the minds of the masses. The Clintonistas honed that tactic to perfection, and its effectiveness certainly was not lost on one John Kerry. The Clinton machine effectively attacked and decimated Paula Jones, Kathleen Willey, Monica Lewinsky, Linda Tripp, Gennifer Flowers, and others. The Kerry machine followed the blueprint and neutralized Kerry's two-year affair with intern Alexandra Polier, as though it had never occurred, early on in the 2004 primaries.

John F Kerry's Mistress - Alexandra Polier - Caution: Text contains the "F" word http://www.geocities.com/timmlimm/kerry.htm

Kerry is a man who knows there is ample proof of his anti-American and anti-war activities. He knows that FBI records show he has collaborated with and aided enemies of the United States: the KGB, North Vietnamese Communists, and others.

He knows it can be proven that he fabricated nonexistent events in Vietnam and wrote glowing descriptions of his own imaginary heroism which resulted in undeserved medals being awarded to him. He knows that nothing he did in Vietnam could be considered heroic, by any stretch of imagination. In fact, several of his crewmen say he cowered and was indecisive under pressure, and fled to safety when enemy action threatened.

He knows FBI records exist which detail many of the anti-American activities in which he participated, including discussions of proposals to assassinate seven named U.S. Senators who supported the war in Vietnam at the time.

Kerry knows documents exist which prove he was separated from the Navy under conditions "other-than-honorable." He knows evidence exists proving that his bogus awards were revoked, and that Jimmy Carter's Vietnam Amnesty, when combined with special legislation ushered through Congress by Ted Kennedy to specifically accommodate Kerry's predicament, permitted him to petition and have his discharge later upgraded to "honorable" and have his awards, though originally bogus, re-issued as legitimate.

His arrogance and disrespect for the American people could not be more clearly demonstrated than it was when he launched his run for the presidency. In preparation, he filed court injunctions against the Navy....and several selected individuals....to prohibit them from discussing these matters or releasing any documents.

He employed a massive propaganda machine to publicly attack and smear anyone who might dare to come forward in efforts to expose him by telling the truth. To do this, he had to be able to count on the mainstream media to defend him and discredit any opposition. We can be certain that someone very powerful promised him such support....otherwise, he would have been forced to take the route of the Gary Harts and the Richard Nixons. He knew he could not fool everybody, but then he only had to fool some 60 million of them; what the others believed would not matter.

Next, his 20-year record in the Senate would be damaging, not only by its singularly outstanding un-remarkableness but also, by all the anti-American and anti-military votes he has consistently cast. His run could not be based upon a performance and voting record that surely would have destroyed him, so a diversion was necessary.

That diversion was his arrogant and shameless run on his contrived Vietnam record. He hired a few men to stand with him and act as "his band of brothers." They were indoctrinated, drilled, and well-rehearsed to tell the same stories of Kerry's self-imagined heroic exploits. We can bet these men, mostly veterans, were selected based upon the nature of their for-sale character, which Kerry had carefully assessed during those dozen weeks in Vietnam.

While he may have expected some opposition from John O'Neill and a few others, I don't think he anticipated the formation of the SwiftVets and having his entire chain-of-command and fellow swift boat skippers to stand against him. But his smear machine went to work and the mainstream media willingly assisted.

"As if we needed any more proof of media bias, the nonpartisan Project for Excellence in Journalism has now documented that during a two-week period examined, 59 percent of the stories about Bush (on CBS, ABC, NBC, PBS's "News Hour," CNN and Fox News), in The Washington Post and the New York Times were negative, compared to only 25 negative stories (16 percent) about John Kerry. In the print media, 68 percent of the stories were negative on Bush, but only 26 percent were negative on Kerry..."

Media Not Credible http://www.therant.us/staff/guest/swirsky/how_sweet_it_is.htm

Most people realize that the more-than-200 members of SwiftVets includes Democrats, Republicans, Independents, Christians, non-Christians, of whom some are pro-Bush while others are anti-Bush. Among the things they have in common, however....things which unite them....are:

1. They love their country, and fought to preserve it....they can't stand by and watch it destroyed by the likes of John Kerry;

2. They, and all Vietnam veterans, have been saddled for 35 years with a bad rap they don't deserve, thanks to the Jane Fondas, the Tom Haydens, the John Kerrys who lied through their teeth, and the media which promoted their lies and anti-American propaganda;

3. They want the truth about John Kerry to finally be told, and;

*4. They want the truth about the Vietnam War to finally be told, and they want the history books corrected.

*This effort is ongoing, and great strides are being made by such operations as The Long Way Home Project (http://www.ourpatriots.com).

If the purpose of the SwiftVets had been, as Kerry supporters suggest, to aid in the re-election of President Bush, the group of veterans would have no reason not to disband now, would they? They'd proclaim "mission accomplished" and go home.

But they trod onward. More evidence has been uncovered to buttress the claim that Kerry's original separation from the Navy was not via honorable discharge.

Pressure must continue to be exerted on the Department of the Navy and the Congress to force the release of the other, thus far unreleased, 100-plus pages of documents in Kerry's official records, along with pertinent parts of FBI investigation findings and other related documents.

This is NOT a witch hunt searching for suspected records, it is a drive for the release of known records. For example, two witnesses have seen records showing Kerry was denied admission to Harvard Law School because the University felt he could never sit for the BAR exam with a less-than-honorable discharge from the Navy. SwiftVets and others are committed to placing such records into the public domain.

Readers of this article are encouraged to write the Navy and their members of Congress, and to hound the media and call talk shows, until this snake in the woodpile has been flushed out.

Some 52 million people voted for Kerry. Some of them did not know of the allegations that the character of Kerry's service was dishonorable and cowardly, some had heard but did not believe, and others fell prey to the contrived notion that SwiftVets were on Bush's payroll and were out to discredit Kerry with lies. Still others did not care one way or the other, but were determined to defeat Bush whatever it took.

Personally, I believe Kerry might have won had it not been for the SwiftVets, their efforts, and their $25 million worth of ads they ran in so-called battleground states. When I evaluate the nature of such a potential tragedy and ponder just how narrowly a coup d'etat was averted, my appreciation....for what these noble veterans sacrificed to do....grows immensely.

John Kerry has publicly conceded that he lost the election; but only because he was given no other choice.

He must now admit that he has lied to the American people, for 35 years, about his Vietnam service. He must now admit that he has lied to the American people, for 35 years, about his collaboration with the North Vietnamese Communists and his presenting to the Senate, and advocating its acceptance, the KGB-authored seven-point plan for American withdrawal (surrender) from Vietnam. He must now admit that his actions worked against the best interests of the United States. He must now admit that he has lied to the world about America and about honorable American veterans.

We must not rest until we have given him no other choice.

Real Americans, even those who voted for Kerry, must unite to force the truth to be revealed. Now that the election is over, perhaps some of those people can now view the SwiftVets ads and examine their stories with an open mind biased only by pro-Americanism.

The Real Story on John Kerry's Military Service http://swiftvets.com

While it would not be too difficult to find 240 people who could be bribed, generally speaking, it is absurd to suggest that ALL but nine of 240 veterans in one command could be bribed to tell lies about Kerry. The most rabid skeptic must admit it is far more likely that half a dozen were bribed with flying free all over the country, sleeping in luxury hotels, eating exotic cuisine in exquisite restaurants, receiving nationwide publicity, and experiencing instant expansion of their bank accounts....not to mention "confirming" some of the war stories they, themselves, have told to their friends and families over the years. This would accurately describe Kerry's "band of brothers."

Visit the SwiftVets website. Study its contents. Learn. Contribute if you can. Order and watch the The Long Way Home Project's four-hour documentary, which tells the Vietnam story as it was, not as the movies and the History Channel have misrepresented it for 35 years. Vietnam veterans beseech you.

Help America to restore some of her dignity and true history, won't you?

© November 2004 Fred Marshall Jr. May be reproduced and distributed, in its entirety only, in any nonprofit or educational endeavor.

[Ernest_at_the_Beach]

A bit off topic, but Shadow War is an an eye opener on how well Dubya is fighting the Terrorists, and how much it is a Multilateral battle all across the Globe. Just finished the chapter on the Sea Battle, Al-Queda mostly lost that one.

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[Use It Or Lose It]

Kerry could run again for Prez in '08. He's arrogant enough to think he could do it...and win - only this time with a Bill Richardson, Hillary or Barack Obama at his side.

[Slyfox]

and he continues to be a member of the Senate

With all that is known about him now, I would have a hard time working with him, if I were in the Senate. No matter how much the Republican Senators will try to hide their true feelings, some attitude is bound to slip out. I hope they make Herr Kerry feel real uncomfortable.

[68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub]

I VOW to the 58,000 + names on
The Viet Nam Wall who never came home

"I will do everything I LEGALLY can
to expose Hanoi Kerry once and for all."

MSM still refuses to tell the real story about Hanoi Kerry!

ABC, AP, CBS, CNN, FOX, MSNBC, NBC, NY Times
is part of THE cover up of the election.

Do you wonder why the Left whines about the election results?

They still think Hanoi Kerry is a "war hero"

They don't know what a traitor he is!

And I don't know about you but
I'm sick and tired of the Right media saying
"what an honorable man Senator Kerry is"

Why isn't the Right all over Hanoi Kerry
to be impeached from the US Senate?

Timeline of John Kerry

http://www.archive-news.net/Kerry/JK_timeline.html

Hanoi Approved of Role Played By Kerry and VVAW

http://www.nysun.com/article/3756

Ex-Navy sec to Kerry: Open up your records

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=41230

NY Sun 11/01/04

Kerry's Discharge Is Questioned by An Ex-JAG Officer

http://www.nysun.com/article/4040

"There is overwhelming evidence that the Navy gave John Kerry either a dishonorable discharge
or an undesirable discharge – which is the equivalent of a dishonorable discharge
without the felony conviction – and that, as a result of such discharge,
he was stripped of all of his famous but questionable Navy awards and medals.

And the kicker? The evidence is on his website!"

http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=41200

From Kerry's "The New Soldier":
Al Hubbard Sgt., 22 Troop Carrier Squadron Aug. ’65-June ’66

Emotions: Walking down the flight line at Saigon past stacks of aluminum cases containing American bodies and past stacks of aluminum luggage containing American currency. Seeing the tight, sad face of an Airman loading the bodies aboard a dirty Air Force Transport and the wide smiling face of a stewardess greeting the passengers aboard a clean Pan American Clipper Jet. Hearing a Vietnamese beg you to leave his country and an American colonel tells you to bomb his country. Hearing a Vietnamese invite you to live in his home, after the war and an American explain why you can’t live in his block, after the war. Flying over barren, brown, safe American held terrain and over lush, green unsafe enemy terrain. Feeling happy to be leaving a country in which you do not belong and sad to be returning to a country in which you are not allowed to belong. Sacrificing a portion of your consciousness so you won’t have to deal with being there and building mental blocks so you won’t have to deal with having been there.

- Al Hubbard, proven fraud who never set foot in Viet Nam. The only Vietnamese he ever met was when he was collaborating with the North Vietnamese in Paris on the American Communist Party's nickel.

John Kerry's explanation: "He (Hubbard) simply exaggarated his particular position. But nobody knew it at the time. And those things happen."

Free online version of
John Kerry and the VVAW
"The New Soldier"
Banned by the DNC!
You can read it online right now.
http://ejsmithweb.com/fr/newsoldier/

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Hey Hanoi Kerry

The BEST is yet to come from Viet Nam Vets!

WAIT till America knows the REAL truth about you!

Your "honorable discharge" is as phony
as your Purple Hearts and your other phony medals!

You and the MSM are traitors to the American public!

Go to France you scum! And take the MSM with you!

THEN the MSM can't try and "fix" another
election with their phony polls.

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Yes, Nov 2 was a great battle victory!
But the war is NOT over.
I've seen on TV and heard on the Radio
attacks about Swift Boat Vets AFTER the election.
And what liars they are.
So closure is NOT going to happen for Viet Nam Vets, yet.
Time to expose Hanoi Kerry in the MSM once and for all!
Then Viet Nam Vets will FINALLY be vindicated.
THEN it will be over!

DON'T LET THIS STORY DIE!

ABC, AP, CBS, CNN, FOX, MSNBC, NBC, NY Times
made sure you knew about the Bush phony National Guard documents.

Q) Why did
ABC, AP, CBS, CNN, FOX, MSNBC, NBC, NY Times
NOT ask Kerry about why he wouldn't sign Form 180?

A) Because they are AFRAID of the REAL story!

Q) Why does the Senate allow a traitor in their midst?

A) Ask YOUR Senator!

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EXPOSE HANOI KERRY!

Distribute these url's!

http://tonkin.spymac.net/hanoikerry1.html

There is a backup site
if the 1st url is unavailable.

http://stophanoikerry.150m.com/

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[zip]

A "must read" ping.

[E.G.C.]

BTTT!!!!!!!

[TigersEye]

Exposing Kerry exposes the media, exposes the Dem party, exposes Soros, exposes Moore and so many others. This is a fight worth fighting.

[Ernest_at_the_Beach]

BTTT!!

[Dolphy]

Horowitz also has something new going, the Shadow Party Project. The objective is to reveal who is in control of the Democrats.

I think the worst thing we could do is claim victory and walk away right now. Yes, we won, but the forces that combined to undermine the President live on.

[international american]

Kerry stepped into the kitchen when he ran for President. Now he will take the heat for his lies and traitorous actions. We need to expose him for exactly what he is.
We cannot relent!!

[ALOHA RONNIE]

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NEVER FORGET


JOHN KERRY = Enemy of Vietnam Vets

http://www.TheAlamoFILM.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1320


...and of Freedom loving people everywhere,

...still..!!!


...And so are Communist Terrorist HO CHI MINH allies HILLARY diane rodham and BILL jefferson clinton.


They must all be exposed...
in a new Time of War...
with an Enemy that is now...
just around the corner...
and up your street...
with our own Freedom...
now at stake...
here at home.


.."IS it SAFE?" = HILLARY on Senate Armed Services Committee

http://www.TheAlamoFILM.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=629


NEVER FORGET

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[snuffy smiff]

sweet news to hear this morn

now NAIL THAT TRAITOR'S (dem mascot) TO THE WALL!!

[cooldog]

That's what I did too.

It was effective!

[Ernest_at_the_Beach]

Newsweek here:

THE VETS ATTACK(Viet Nam Vets are exonerated...finally!)

Nov. 15 issue - The attack of the swift boat vets did not catch the Kerry campaign by surprise, not entirely at least. Kerry's operatives had worried from the beginning that some right-wing group would try to use his old Vietnam antiwar speeches against him. In the summer of 2003 the Kerry campaign had quietly made some inquiries with C-Span, asking the cable network not to release old videotapes of Kerry as an angry young vet fulminating about war crimes and atrocities.

Kerry tried to suppress all of the tapes.....

[Ernest_at_the_Beach]

See link at #54.

[stand watie]

HANOI-John is GARBAGE!

to quote MG Nate Forrest,"nothing worse may be said of a man than this, that he BRTRAYED his own comrades-in-arms."

free dixie,sw

[uncleshag]

DJ Taylor,
Thanks for the post. Keep spreading the word!

Tonk,
As requested, I have placed your posts and links on my website. At least some of my family and friends will see it and act by spreading it around.

God, I pray so.

HABAKKUK 1:1-5

The burden which Habakkuk the prophet did see.

O LORD, how long shall I cry, and thou wilt not hear!
even cry out unto thee of violence, and thou wilt not save!
Why dost thou shew me iniquity, and cause me to behold grievance?
for spoiling and violence are before me:
and there are that raise up strife and contention.

Therefore the law is slacked, and judgment doth never go forth:
for the wicked doth compass about the righteous;
therefore wrong judgment proceedeth.
Behold ye among the heathen, and regard, and wonder marvelously:
for I will work a work in your days which ye will not believe,
though it be told you.

[John Lenin]

What is starting to make me sick is how politicians and the military are helping to keep this covered up. It says a lot about our government.

[Cold Heat]

BTTT!

He said it better than I could.

[ThePythonicCow]

bttt