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John Kerry's talk with black clergy a portent of fate
The Baltimore Sun ^ | November 6, 2004 | Gregory Kane

Posted on 11/06/2004 3:30:30 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife

THE FIRST inkling I had that Sen. John Kerry would lose Tuesday's election came exactly a week before, when I participated in a telephone conference call that the Massachusetts senator had with about 350 black clergy. After former President Bill Clinton introduced him, Kerry told the group that the issue of gay marriage was a red herring.

"I ask you not to be diverted from the real issue in this case," Kerry told the ministers. "Fifty percent of the African-American men in New York City are unemployed. ... There are more black men in prison than in college."

As if blowing off the moral issue that would eventually cost him the election weren't enough, we have to look at what else was wrong with the picture: When you're telling clergy folks that things many Christians regard as sins don't matter, you might not want an admitted philanderer to be the guy introducing you.

Earlier in the campaign, Kerry shared a stage with the Rev. Jesse Jackson, another fella not yet bitten by the monogamy bug, who said moral issues in campaign 2004 were a diversion.

Well, not to the 3.5 million voters who provided President Bush his margin of victory, they weren't. Add to that Kerry's sneaky attempt at demagoguery in addressing the black clergy - the number of black men unemployed in New York City and in prison were "acceptable" to Bush, according to the senator - and you may have a reason why the president got a slightly higher percentage of the black vote this year than in 2000.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Editorial; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: billclinton; blackchurches; blackvote; church; kerry; morals; pandering
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To: stevem
We're in Maryland and the vote moved from 40% for Bush in 2000 to 44% for Bush in 2004. It's going in the right direction.

Check this out ***...George W Bush did not promise a great deal to the religious constituency. I bet, for example, that abortion will remain legal during his presidency. But he did get alongside people who resent decadence, the trashing of our culture and the condescension of a rich media elite. Some say that America has stepped back into the past. I don't think so. As so often with that country, what happens there, will start to happen here. I hope so.*** [England]

21 posted on 11/06/2004 4:27:34 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
"I am. I also can see a lot of GOP 527 ads showcasing the real Hillary."

The food fight would be on no doubt, but remember 'if' Hillry can transform into a religious saint, she would love it if anybody started to trash her.

Remember the mantra of the left... 'questioning their patriotism', think how they would sell questioning their religion?
22 posted on 11/06/2004 4:28:33 AM PST by Just mythoughts
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To: Just mythoughts
Hey Just mt:

Good analysis. 'Twould be the perfect scheme for Madame Hillary to fake conversion!
23 posted on 11/06/2004 4:36:29 AM PST by Californiajones ("The apprehension of beauty is the cure for apathy" - Thomas Aquinas)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

ping


24 posted on 11/06/2004 4:44:16 AM PST by Bellflower (A new day is coming!)
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To: Californiajones
Time will tell which role the Hillry will take. "IF" she really plans to regain her old job nothing will be left to chance.

The JFKerry was tooo ignorant and arrogant to follow a Clintons script. Everything he accused President Bush of being were his own short comings and that is not something Hillry will repeat.

The fact that JFKerry deceived himself into believing reenacting Vietnam as a winning ticket, had to leave the Clintons in hysterics.

The battle for a Republican nominee could leave the GOP in tatters.
25 posted on 11/06/2004 4:49:37 AM PST by Just mythoughts
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Not long ago I saw a petition against gay marriage by almost 100 black ministers, including some VERY famous televangelists such as Keith Butler, Fred Price, and Glenn Plummer. I can't recall if T. D. Jakes was on it, but I think he was. This is not something to ignore. These ministers not only have huge congregations (remember Bush addressed Jakes' congregation by video in 2000 and got a cool reception) but they have MASSIVE television ministries. I'm telling you, as I know Pastor Price personally, the tide is SLOWLY turning in the black Christian community to where they no longer think they can trust the Dems to protect them.


26 posted on 11/06/2004 4:50:39 AM PST by LS
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Senator Kerry, because of your Pro Gay Marriage position, the Devil has impregnated you with one of Je$$e HyJack$on's love children! After you give birth to Je$$e's love child, it will call you MaMa! This will happen after GW kicks your butt in the election.


27 posted on 11/06/2004 4:51:22 AM PST by Grampa Dave (FNC/ABCNNBCBS & the MSM fishwraps are the Rathering Fraudcasters of America!)
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To: Grampa Dave
50% unemployment? A total lie, in classic Kerry style.

Read what Larry Elder has to say in Frontpage Magazine:

Kerry's Lying

...Kerry said, "I don't know how you can govern in this country when you look at New York City and you see that 50 percent of the black males there are unemployed." Really?

Kerry apparently got his 50 percent figure from the Community Service Society of New York, an organization that purports to "lead the fight against poverty in New York City." Their February 2004 annual report states, "In 2003 barely one-half (51.8 percent) of New York black men were employed," citing data derived from "Current Population Surveys," "monthly estimates" and "statistical models."

The Department of Labor Statistics, however, says that in 2002 the unemployment rate for black males in New York City stood at 12.6 percent. And for the first six months of 2004 it calculated the unemployment rate for black men and women at 12.6 percent -- just a tad lower than Kerry's 50 percent.

By the way, the same Community Service Society study determined the city's black female employment rate at 57.1 percent, yet reported black unemployment at 12.9 percent! If a little more than half of black people are working, but less than 13 percent are unemployed, how do the rest of blacks occupy their time? Maybe Kerry meant 50 percent of all black males -- newborns, toddlers, children, adolescents, teenagers and Golden Agers.

28 posted on 11/06/2004 5:04:58 AM PST by Stallone (Mainstream Media is dead. I helped kill it.)
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To: Just mythoughts

Hillery still has big looming legal revelations coming up from california as the lawsuit continues.


29 posted on 11/06/2004 5:07:25 AM PST by bdfromlv (leavenworth hard time)
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To: Stallone

Thanks!

Kerry and his rat party are serial liars who would say any lie to get elected.


30 posted on 11/06/2004 5:09:07 AM PST by Grampa Dave (FNC/ABCNNBCBS & the MSM fishwraps are the Rathering Fraudcasters of America!)
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To: bdfromlv
"Hillery still has big looming legal revelations coming up from california as the lawsuit continues."


We shall see, there has not been a courtroom or judge yet willing to take this woman on. Senator status sure covered a multitude of deeds with faith for JFKerry!
31 posted on 11/06/2004 5:10:04 AM PST by Just mythoughts
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To: stevem
Do not despair, our Minnesota friend. Thanks to Newt Gingrich ('94 Revolution) and Karl Rove (who devastated Democrats in Congress in '02 and '04), the Democrats are running out of presidential-caliber talent. They've got Hillary in reserve, but after her, the list gets pretty thin.

Candidates win elections. It's that simple. Maybe Bush's Texas drawl and fractured syntax didn't attract Minnesotans. But maybe in '04, the Republicans will nominate a Midwesterner (I'm thinking John Kasich of Ohio) and that will help tip Minnesota (and Wisconsin and Michigan and Pennsylvania) into the GOP column.

32 posted on 11/06/2004 5:11:12 AM PST by Madstrider (The right wing conspiracy isn't really so vast -- we just work overtime)
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To: dennisw

That hand pose looks SO out-of-place in a church, much more Hare Krishna than Hallelujah. Or is it just me?


33 posted on 11/06/2004 5:12:24 AM PST by Norman Conquest (Kerry "honors a faith tradition." Bush believes in "God." You do the math.)
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To: Norman Conquest

It isn't you. It a namaste greeting from Hinduism and Buddhism which I have zero problem with.... except when John Kerry fakes his way through it. It's a secret gesture to his followers that he's hip and cool. Y'all in flyover country aren't in on this East Coast/West Coast thing.


34 posted on 11/06/2004 5:23:51 AM PST by dennisw (Gd - against Amelek for all generations.)
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To: LS
That is good news.

Here is more

35 posted on 11/06/2004 5:24:21 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

"When you're telling clergy folks that things many Christians regard as sins don't matter, you might not want an admitted philanderer to be the guy introducing you."

LOL! Good point, and an excellent illustration of Kerry's stone cold tone deafness.


36 posted on 11/06/2004 5:28:51 AM PST by jocon307 (Maintain the mandate!)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
"I ask you not to be diverted from the real issue in this case," Kerry told the ministers.

"Thanks you, oh thank you for deigning to come all the way down here in order to inform we lowly, ignorant black voters what our 'real issues' ought to be in this election," many of said ministers snickered quietly, in response. :)

37 posted on 11/06/2004 5:31:21 AM PST by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle (I feel more and more like a revolted Charlton Heston, witnessing ape society for the very first time)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Ken Blackwell will be OH's first black gov, and will be IMHO the nation's first black president.


38 posted on 11/06/2004 6:00:37 AM PST by LS
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To: dennisw

That's probably more than Kerry's had his hands together in the past 30 years.

What a poser!


39 posted on 11/06/2004 6:17:42 AM PST by Darnright
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To: LS

Your lips to God's ears, brother.


40 posted on 11/06/2004 6:21:12 AM PST by Mr. Thorne ("But iron, cold iron, shall be master of them all..." Kipling)
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