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US unrepentant for Macedonia name recognition, warns of possible violence in Greece
AFP ^ | 11/5/2004

Posted on 11/05/2004 4:10:31 PM PST by Tailgunner Joe

WASHINGTON, Nov 5 (AFP) - The United States on Friday defended its decision to formally recognize the "Republic of Macedonia" as the name for the former Yugoslav republic and did little to ease Greek fury at the move as it warned US citizens in Greece of possible violent reaction.

The State Department said the move, made Wednesday by Secretary of State Colin Powell, would not change and reiterated that it was not done to spite Athens but to reward Skopje for its commitment to multiethnic democracy and its backing for the war on terrorism, including in Iraq.

"The question of what we call Macedonia is not something that's in any way directed at Greece," spokesman Richard Boucher said. "It's not directed against any other country.

"We very much value our relationship with Greece," he said. "We're very much committed to working with Greece on all aspect that our two nations as allies and friends have in common."

Greece maintains that "Macedonia" carries territorial claims on the northern Greek province of the same historic name -- the birthplace of Alexander the Great -- and has fought to prevent Skopje from using the moniker.

The US decision infuriated Athens which formally protested the move Thursday, and Friday a government spokesman said Greece would veto Macedonia's possible entry into the EU and NATO if the dispute is not resolved.

Boucher said Powell's decision was not intended to prejudice stalled talks on the name issue and said the United States remained hopeful a solution could be found.

"We do believe that it's important for the parties ... with the help of the United Nations to try to come to a positive solution on this and we'll continue to encourage that," he said.

But an irate Greek Prime Minister Costas Karamanlis said in Brussels that the US move was mistaken, "off the mark and unfortunate" and that it would not help resolve the problem. "I'm afraid it intensifies it," he said.

Boucher declined to comment on Karamanlis' remarks.

Shortly after Boucher spoke, the US embassy in Athens warned Americans in Greece that the name move could spark animosity and potentially violent protests at places associated with the United States, such as the embassy.

"This decision may create heightened tensions in Greece and stimulate reactions against American interests in Greece, especially in northern Greece," the embassy said in a notice to US citizens.

"While we have no specific information at this writing of plans for large-scale demonstrations, given the importance of this issue to many in Greece, we cannot dismiss the possibility of public demonstrations against this decision, both at the US embassy in Athens, and at the US consulate general in Thessaloniki, as well as other places," it said.

"American citizens in Greece should take care to avoid all such demonstrations or places where such demonstrations or even spontaneous public outbursts of anti-American emotion might occur," the embassy said.

"For the time being, all Americans in Greece should also heighten their individual and family sense of and attention to personal security," it said, adding that "even demonstrations intended to be peaceful can turn confrontational and possibly escalate into violence."

Because of the Greek objections, Macedonia, which gained independence from the former Yugoslav federation in 1991, has been provisionally recognized by the United Nations and the European Union as the "Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia" since 1993.


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1 posted on 11/05/2004 4:10:32 PM PST by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Just imagine if the "owner" of New York, New Jersey, also complain about the use of the names...


2 posted on 11/05/2004 4:13:50 PM PST by paudio (Four More Years..... Thank you!!!)
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To: paudio

Or if the former Soviet republic got a call from Atlanta.....


3 posted on 11/05/2004 4:18:18 PM PST by mwyounce
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Greece maintains that "Macedonia" carries territorial claims on the northern Greek province colony of the same historic name
4 posted on 11/05/2004 4:19:39 PM PST by Oztrich Boy (They have a saying in Chicago Mr Bond once happenstance, twice coincidence, three times enemy action)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Amazing how even disputes which have nothing to do with us become our fault.


5 posted on 11/05/2004 4:21:00 PM PST by microgood
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To: Tailgunner Joe

I think the US should demand that Athens, Greece be renamed because we don't like it having the same name as Athens, Georgia.


6 posted on 11/05/2004 4:21:14 PM PST by Right Wing Professor (Fingers now uncrossed)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Too bad for you, Greece. You have been extremely unhelpful in Iraq and have probably cost American lives by the refusal to let us pass through Greek territory (even though it had already been negotiated).

Payback...


7 posted on 11/05/2004 4:22:19 PM PST by livius
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To: paudio

My anaolgy was the US complaning about the Independent State of Samoa using the name of the US territiory of Samoa


8 posted on 11/05/2004 4:22:48 PM PST by Oztrich Boy (They have a saying in Chicago Mr Bond once happenstance, twice coincidence, three times enemy action)
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To: mwyounce

"Greece maintains that "Macedonia" carries territorial claims on the northern Greek province of the same historic name -- the birthplace of Alexander the Great..."
But wouldn't that northern Greek province come with its northern Greek population? And if yes, then it begs the question whether "Macedonia" (or anyone else) would REALLY want the said province, given the degree of nationalistic feelings in that neighborhood. I'd say - let the Greeks have it.


9 posted on 11/05/2004 4:24:07 PM PST by GSlob
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To: Tailgunner Joe

While as a Greek-American, I can't and won't agree with the US on this call and think it sucks, on the big picture scale, it is the equivalent of hurt feelings,so...


10 posted on 11/05/2004 4:24:52 PM PST by TeddyCon
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To: Tailgunner Joe
In a related occurrence, Kansas has condemned Missouri for using the name "Kansas City", claiming that not only does it incorporate the name of the state "Kansas", but that indeed there already is a "Kansas City" in the state of Kansas.
11 posted on 11/05/2004 4:25:10 PM PST by Moral Hazard
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To: livius

Wrong!! Turkey was the unhelpful one this time around. My peeps just complained loudly as our supply planes (etc.) came and went from Crete (and elsewhere) as the pretty much damn well pleased.


12 posted on 11/05/2004 4:29:24 PM PST by TeddyCon
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To: paudio

We wouldn't complain, we'd just nuke 'em!
;-)


13 posted on 11/05/2004 4:31:14 PM PST by fastattacksailor (FReepers: We came, we saw, we VOTED!)
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To: TeddyCon

I thought Greece was pretty uncooperative, too. It has a long history of anti-Americanism, which for some reason it will simply not drop. However, I'm glad to hear that they were good about flights from Crete.

In both Greece and Turkey, it's their radical Communist element (coupled with Islamists in the case of Turkey) that seems to keep this going, but they seem unable to control it. I'm not sure it has that much popular support, but I'm far from expert on those countries.


14 posted on 11/05/2004 4:34:08 PM PST by livius
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To: TeddyCon

Greek views on this topic are both silly and parochial. Time for them to accept that there is no trademark on names of cities and countries.
Signed,
A Greek American


15 posted on 11/05/2004 4:35:23 PM PST by ConservativeGreek
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To: microgood

The is Colin Powel being a complete *ss.

This is his punishment of Greece for not backing him on the absurd Cofi Anan Cyprus reunification plan.

Greece has said it will use its veto to keep the former republic of yugoslavia out of the EU until the entire issues are resolved.

Now if they had used the word "new" with no false claims to history then they might have had a chance. But now Powel is just keeping up the old communist party propaganda with this.


16 posted on 11/05/2004 4:38:53 PM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! NOV 2, 2004 is VETERANS DAY! VOTE!)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

This is a silly loser's game on the part of the Greeks. They have a right to slap down any signs of cross-border agitation coming from the north. But spending several years threatening to go to war over the name, Macedonia?

Idiotic. NO ONE would interpret this as having designs on Greek territory if the Greeks themselves didn't raise the issue.


17 posted on 11/05/2004 4:41:49 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: livius

wrong, they have supplied ships in the gulf and have, unlike the french and germans , honored all treaties regarding staging and fly through.

This is a PERSONAL vendeta by colin powel who felt he was made to look the fool by HIS cyprus failure.


18 posted on 11/05/2004 4:42:31 PM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! NOV 2, 2004 is VETERANS DAY! VOTE!)
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To: TeddyCon
Wrong!! Turkey was the unhelpful one this time around.

Oh, OK! So, how many troops did Greece send to Iraq?

19 posted on 11/05/2004 4:46:11 PM PST by tarator
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To: paudio
Just imagine if the "owner" of New York, New Jersey, also complain about the use of the names...

They let the New Orleans Jazz go to Utah.

20 posted on 11/05/2004 4:50:32 PM PST by jrushing (Democrats=National Socialist Workers Party)
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