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1 posted on 11/05/2004 2:58:51 PM PST by swilhelm73
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Put differently, Catholics voted for the Protestant, George W. Bush, and did so in large part because they agree more with him than Kerry on moral issues, such as abortion, closest to Catholic hearts.

I'm one of them. In fact Kerry's abortion stance was more odious to me because he was a Catholic. Is it unfair? Maybe. But the next Catholic president has to be a real not an apostate Catholic.

2 posted on 11/05/2004 3:01:37 PM PST by NeoCaveman (John Edwards, hair today, gone tomorrow (/gloat))
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Kerry has faith only in the devil himself - kennedy/clinton.

If he ever was, he hasn't been a true Catholic since 1968.

He should be officially excommunicated now.


3 posted on 11/05/2004 3:02:20 PM PST by steplock (http://www.outoftimeradio.org)
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How do you lose something you never had?


4 posted on 11/05/2004 3:15:24 PM PST by MKM1960
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I've been a little disturbed by that map being posted all over today which shows kerry winning mostly in the regions where Catholics are the dominant religion and losing where Mormons and Protestants are dominant.

It's shameful that as many Catholics voted for kerry as did, but on the whole the Catholic vote favored Bush. It just happens that lots of Catholics live in the same cities as blacks and secular liberal whites, two groups that vote overwhelmingly Democrat.

As for Protestants, Evangelicals voted 2-1 for Bush, but the Mainstream liberal protestants probably voted 9-1 for kerry.

In other words, things are more complicated than that map suggests. The coalition of Catholic conservatives and Evangelical conservatives (and in smaller numbers a growing number of Jewish conservatives) is vital to the future of the conservative movement in our country.


5 posted on 11/05/2004 3:16:18 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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the solution is obvious: it's about abortion, stupid
I agree. This and homosexual issues cost Kerry the election. I think the War on Terror issue was a near wash with a small favoring toward Mr. Bush.
6 posted on 11/05/2004 3:20:06 PM PST by GrandEagle
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2 Wayne County, Michigan Catholics for Bush!


7 posted on 11/05/2004 3:24:20 PM PST by Trainfish
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Let's see what black church he attends this Sunday!


8 posted on 11/05/2004 3:27:50 PM PST by MadelineZapeezda (John FnKerry........making the truth irrelevant !!!!!!!!)
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My cat is more Catholic than John Kerry.


9 posted on 11/05/2004 3:37:43 PM PST by Tar Heel Bushie (W2: You Can Run But You Can't Hide!)
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I think it's actually broader than the abortion issue - although that clearly was a major part of Kerry's loss of the Catholic vote.

He has done all sorts of things that proclaim that he is NOT a Catholic and is just calling himself one to get votes - taking communion in a Protestant (AME) church administered by a female priest, attending a semi-schismatic church run by dissenting Catholics, remarrying in a civil ceremony, apparently remarrying without getting an annulment (though he applied for one), publicly scolding the conservative American bishops, plus of course his position on abortion.

It's not just abortion - it's the all-round hypocrisy and cynical exploitation of his supposed "Catholicism". If you get right down to it, President Bush is probably a better Catholic than John Kerry (not that that's saying much.)

10 posted on 11/05/2004 3:42:03 PM PST by AnAmericanMother (. . . Ministrix of ye Chace (recess appointment), TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary . . .)
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In my humble opinion the whole thing came down to this .... Protestant, Catholic, Morman, male, female, young, old, fat, skinny, straight, gay .... we all made the same decision. Do I want to vote for a phoney duck hunter ... phoney touch football player at the airport ... phoney war hero ... phoney career politician with secret plans to solve all problems ... phoney complexion ... phoney teeth ... phoney wealth ... phoney everything! Or, should I vote for Dubya. Other than the entrenched beauracracy (teachers union, labor unions, federal, state, and local government employees, etc.) we all voted for Dubya.


11 posted on 11/05/2004 4:09:54 PM PST by layman
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I think this is a load of bull. Just how many catholics are there in this country and how many of them voted for sKerry?
If anyone one group can lay claim to reelecting the President it is the "people of faith", those who believe morals matter, and they come in every "flavor" of Christianity, not catholic only.

It looks like a spin attempt by catholics to claim the drivers seat in upcoming issues/elections.
12 posted on 11/05/2004 4:13:36 PM PST by Tweaker
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SKERRY'S only 'faith' has been in his own ego and power-mongering skills as well as in his ability to get the puppet masters to back him in his power mongering.

I doubt he even believes that God Almighty really exists. His parents didn't functionally exist at critical stages of his life. Why would he think that God would exist?


13 posted on 11/05/2004 4:15:27 PM PST by Quix (PRAISE GOD FOR HIS FAITHFULNESS! PRAY STILL RE REMOVING SPECTER FRM JUDICIARY COMMITTEE)
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How can you lose what you do not possess?


14 posted on 11/05/2004 4:16:45 PM PST by mombonn ( ¡Viva Bush/Cheney!)
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Kerry Loses His Faith???

How about "Catholics Put their Faith in Bush"?

We didn't keep posting all these links for nothing!!!!

President Bush: Shares Our Catholic Values

President Bush and John Kerry: On the Issues Important to Catholics

"Seismic" Catholic Shift to Bush [Insight ]

Catholics for Bush

Analyst cites abortion stance as some Catholic voters shift to Bush

Poll: Catholics Trending Towards Bush

Kerry Losing Ground Among White Catholics

Voting Our Conscience, Not Our Religion [Catholic Prof Says "Vote Kerry"]

Vatican: Kerry guilty of heresy; incurrs automatic excommunication

Should a Catholic Vote for Bush or Kerry?

Why is Bush getting the bishop's blessing?

Ambassador Ray Flynn in Cleveland 10/16/2004- "Vote 2004: The Catholic Factor"

John Kerry Flip-Flops on When to Use His Catholic Belief on Politics

Abortion is Turning Democrats Off to Kerry

Planned Parenthood Unveils TV Ads Backing John Kerry on Abortion

Spiritual Windsurfer [Kerry]

Kerry’s Auxiliary Bishops

The army of God marching for Bush

The Catholics for Bush website is now live!

America at the Crossroads

(Clinton Apointee Raymond)Flynn: Catholics must vote for culture of life

Priest: It's a sin to vote pro-choice

Some attempts to sabotage Catholic voters

Kerry's Catholic Supporters

Kerry Scolds Vatican Over Gay Marriage

Monsignor Jude O'Doherty and President Bush

Catholic bishops should beware of Kerry's 'respect'

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PRESIDENT BUSH WON CATHOLIC VOTE

Kerry Loses His Faith

Blame the Republicans? No, This Time It's the Christians

Faith Factor Proves Key in U.S. Elections

Election Reinforces U.S. Religious Divide

16 posted on 11/05/2004 6:15:36 PM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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Catholics who attend Mass weekly voted for Bush by 55% to 44%.

Considering that a vote for the Boston Baby Butcher was a mortal sin, we'll no doubt notice heavy traffic at the confessionals this weekend. (Sad to say, only joking.)

20 posted on 11/05/2004 6:21:35 PM PST by madprof98
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It is worse than even Kerry's politics on abortion. In the second debate he leveled a huge insult to every serious believer when he explained how his Catholic beliefs must not translate to his actions. Come again? What a pathetic creep.


25 posted on 11/05/2004 6:51:47 PM PST by annalex
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To: swilhelm73; GatorGirl; maryz; afraidfortherepublic; Antoninus; Aquinasfan; livius; ...

Ping.


26 posted on 11/05/2004 6:55:09 PM PST by narses (If you want ON or OFF my Catholic Ping List email me. + http://www.alamo-girl.com/)
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"Liberal Christians like Congresswoman Nancy Pelosi say that Democratic politicians are "faith-filled" people as well; they read the Bible and Matthew's gospel."

They just don't believe what they read.
30 posted on 11/05/2004 7:04:10 PM PST by radicalamericannationalist (Kurtz had the right answer but the wrong location.)
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You say you lost your faith
But that's not where it's at
You had no faith to lose
And you know it


Bob Dylan/Positively 4th Street


32 posted on 11/05/2004 7:32:40 PM PST by Tweeker
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This writer is kind of delusional.
If Kerry had been a devout Catholic, he'd not have been nominated.


34 posted on 11/05/2004 7:53:28 PM PST by Sam Cree (Democrats are herd animals)
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