A Marijuana Breakthrough?

The Scotsman ^ | Nov. 5, 2004 | David Kohn

[Know your rights]

I'm sure not 1/1000th as many violations of drug laws are even discovered.

Just a wild-a$$ed guess here, but could it be that they're not pursued with as much vigor?

That is a wild-a$$ed guess in the absence of any evidence for it.

As you suggesting that drug crimes are equivalent to murder, and that we should treat them as such?

No.

You want 63% closure on drug crimes? That can be done you know

Not at a price a free country should be willing to pay.

[Know your rights]

The mere fact that cocaine use would rise if legalized validates my argument that criminalization is a factor in reduced cocaine use.

We don't know that your "fact" is a fact ... much less that any degree of reduction due to criminalization is worth the cost of creating high profits and channeling them into criminal hands.

[G Larry]

>So it would logically follow that we do need one less substance to dumb down society and that criminalizing alcohol for adults would be a good policy. Problem is, that conclusion is false, and therefore so is your premise.<

It does NOT "logically follow" that "criminalizing alcohol for adults would be a good policy". Therefore, neither my conclusion or premise is false.
The concept that legalizing marijuana is an unnecessary and net negative societal impact, stands on its own.
Insisting that if we don't take that step, then we MUST roll back other societal 'net negatives', is a thought process void of logic.

[stboz]

I smoked month for a whole pot one night! Just followin' the little animals around. Stuned.

[Know your rights]

It does NOT "logically follow" that "criminalizing alcohol for adults would be a good policy". [...] Insisting that if we don't take that step [legalizing marijuana], then we MUST roll back other societal 'net negatives', is a thought process void of logic.

It's entirely logical; if the criterion for "X should be criminalized" is "X has societal 'net negatives'" then that's true whether X is marijuana or alcohol (or eating unhealthily or getting too little sleep).

[krb]

Wow...your use of "logic" is an embarrassment to people who want to keep MJ illegal. That side of the argument would probably be better off if you just defected to the other side.

[WildTurkey]

Wow...your use of "logic" is an embarrassment to people who want to keep MJ illegal. That side of the argument would probably be better off if you just defected to the other side.

Sorry if you are confused with scientific facts. Email me and I will try to explain it to you.

[G Larry]

Wrong!

Marijuana IS criminalized. No change required.
Alcohol is NOT criminalized. No change required.

[Know your rights]

if the criterion for "X should be criminalized" is "X has societal 'net negatives'" then that's true whether X is marijuana or alcohol (or eating unhealthily or getting too little sleep).

Wrong!

Marijuana IS criminalized. No change required.
Alcohol is NOT criminalized. No change required.

Now you're changing your argument, to "laws should remain as is." I guess that also applies to nearly-unrestricted abortion, and still-too-high tax rates?

[lectricpup]

http://www.drugabuse.gov/ResearchReports/marijuana/marijuana3.html

[Know your rights]

What's your point? Do no other medicines have bad side effects?

[G Larry]

No, I am straightening out your "should" vs. real world "is".

Societies "net negatives" will only be resolved in heaven.
That is no reason to choose to add to them.

[lectricpup]

my point was my point. I was not replying to your post.

[Know your rights]

Societies "net negatives" will only be resolved in heaven.
That is no reason to choose to add to them.

If it's no reason to choose to add to them, then it's equally no reason to choose not to subtract from them. You've still provided no logical argument for keeping marijuana illegal but alcohol legal.

[Know your rights]

my point was my point.

And you have yet to give any indication of what that alleged point was. Did you have one, ior do you just enjoy posting irrelevant hyperlinks?

[G Larry]

Logic is not detectable to the smoke filled mind.

[lectricpup]

Irrelevant?, what are you smokin'?

I don't think that knowing the effects on the human body of Marijuana use is beside the point of this thread.

Not endorsing or condemning.