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1 posted on 11/05/2004 10:39:02 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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They are such idiots....a complete lack on introspection. I guarantee you their conclusion will not be to change course towards the center, but to move further left.


2 posted on 11/05/2004 10:41:41 AM PST by waterman478
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"Democratic leaders are trying to figure out how to make the party more relevant to mainstream Americans..."

A start would be to kick the kooks and commies out of the dem party.

3 posted on 11/05/2004 10:42:15 AM PST by NoClones
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They could start by listening to Zell Miller.

Nah, ain't gonna happen.


4 posted on 11/05/2004 10:42:18 AM PST by MarxSux
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The DEMs will change their approach alright.. look for more future RINOs in an effort to undermine the Republican party.

All that libs can do is lie, so the only change in their approach would be to change the lies.


5 posted on 11/05/2004 10:49:02 AM PST by Outland (Socialists/liberals/greens/progressives/commies: You're done. Go home to France.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Replay: "We just didn't get our message across..."


7 posted on 11/05/2004 10:51:21 AM PST by talleyman (A foreign leader told me on his deathbed: "Kerry is a liar - he just makes stuff up...")
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Here's a tip for them:


Oh, and picking a guy who's not a traitor might be helpful next time.

In all seriousness, if the President had performed as well in debate 1 as in debate 3, the popular vot would has=ve been more like 55-45. These people just can't understand how out of touch they are, because they surround themselves with people who think the exact same way.

8 posted on 11/05/2004 10:51:49 AM PST by Mr. Silverback (Today the Donkeys need 10 billion gallons of bacitacrin and a whole lot of band-aids.)
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Democrats also have no strong leader to pull the party out of the wilderness.

CNN is not mentioning Hillary..... what is with that?

9 posted on 11/05/2004 10:52:55 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (A Proud member of Free Republic ~~The New Face of the Fourth Estate since 1996.)
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I love it! They will conclude that they weren't socialist enough and lurch hard to the left.

And they call us idiots!

The fact is, democrats do not represent working people any more. They represent the hard left elite hollywood rich types who insulate themselves from the very policies they want to impose on everyone else. They represent international socialist activists who insist that everyone lick their oh so superior boots. They represent religious bigots who hate the fact that we bow to GOD above rather than their secular religion. They represent the interests of any OTHER country that is anti-American along with the corrupt, 3rd world UN.

Regular people have more common sense than that. You do not get elected spewing hate. They have no plan, offer no solutions that do not steal workers hard-earned money. They think everyone owes them a handout.


10 posted on 11/05/2004 10:53:57 AM PST by Owl558 (Pardon my spelling)
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MESSAGE to DEMOCRATS: You guys were finished when you starting writing the terrorists' talking points.


11 posted on 11/05/2004 10:55:15 AM PST by eagle11 (American Left is dead.....European Left is terminally ill......)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

The effect of the Estrada filibuster has come to roost. That was an opening salvo that created doubt in the back of the minds of Hispanics about the disrespect the democrats had toward them. Then Hispanics learned that catholics need not apply. Then they saw their traditional family values cast into the muck and trodden underfoot...all by liberal democrats.

Meanwhile Pres. Bush was trying to appoint Estrada, speaking about the reality of breadwinners in Mexico simply wanting to care for their families, affirming traditional values.....

Is there any wonder that Hispanics began to see the liberal's leadership for the white, aristocratic elitists that they really are?


13 posted on 11/05/2004 10:58:01 AM PST by xzins
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14 posted on 11/05/2004 10:59:00 AM PST by happydogdesign
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I've written on this subject recently.
15 posted on 11/05/2004 11:01:14 AM PST by Mr. Silverback (Today the Donkeys need 10 billion gallons of bacitacrin and a whole lot of band-aids.)
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The best way I found to convince a lot of my wanna-vote-dem friends to vote for Bush was the Second Ammendment. I know a LOT of gun owners who don't really give a fig about abortion, gays, the environment, or any of that stuff, but do support the Second Ammendment. The picture of Kerry holding up a gift gun that he himself tried to ban was worth at least a dozen votes for Bush (pity Oregon has it's head too far up its arse for 12 votes to matter much).

It's probably a good thing for the GOP that I haven't seen any mention among the media of the Dems officialy dropping (and making amends for) their gun control agenda. Instead, all they've been talking about are "values" etc. They still think they can just keep quiet on their gun grabbing and America will be fooled.

16 posted on 11/05/2004 11:02:39 AM PST by pillbox_girl
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

If this keeps up, there will be no blue states in 2008.


17 posted on 11/05/2004 11:03:37 AM PST by najida (Liberals: Their mama's didn't raise'em right!)
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I have been struck by the takes of many prominent Democrats that I have been watching on the various news channel talk segments in the aftermath of the election. They all recognize that something is very wrong for their party and the way it relates to voters, but so few of them seem to understand that the American people truly do reject the ideas and values of the Democratic Party, and they instead seem inclined to spin the loss as a problem of communication. Bill Richardson, Jerry Brown, and Dick Gephardt all seemed to make this point, saying something to the effect that "we're going to have to find a way to speak to mainstream America," but at the same time insisting that they need to preserve their core beliefs. After the beating they just took at the polls, they still don't get it.

The one Democrat who, surprisingly in my opinion, seemed to differ was Congressman Harold Ford of Tennessee. I watched Ford state in very plain terms that many of his fellow Democrats have made alliances with groups who espouse a value system that is both alien to his background and to that of most Americans. He chided those in his party who easily dismissed President Bush's use of core values as a principal thrust of his message as not appreciating how important a part these values play in the lives of people all across this country, and especially in the South and West. And he added that the Democratic Party would have to "move in the direction of values" rather than just search for a new way to communicate with mainstream Americans if it wants to change the current dynamic of American politics.

We will have to wait and see whether Democrats merely search for a new way of communicating with American voters or actually seek to change their ideas. I tend to expect the former because I see too few Democratic leaders speaking in the way Congressman Ford does. But that is what we must watch.
19 posted on 11/05/2004 11:05:29 AM PST by StJacques
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House Democratic leader Pelosi put it another way. "Quite frankly, I think the table is set for us in the next election," she said. "We have lost just about everything that we can lose."

Sounds like a dare to me.

I want Minnesota and Wisconsin. And Pennsylvania. Let's look at Oregon a little harder next time. And Hawaii looks promising!

23 posted on 11/05/2004 11:07:47 AM PST by Timeout (Whew!!)
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isn't this fun reading all the stuff from msm trying to justify their positions? they just don't realize that they are the enemy, spewing their socialism to america.


26 posted on 11/05/2004 11:15:15 AM PST by mlocher (america is a sovereign state)
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31 posted on 11/05/2004 11:37:24 AM PST by Liz (The man who establishes the reputation of rising at dawn, can sleep til noon.)
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John the Baptist had the right message for them: "John said to the crowds coming out to be baptized by him, 'You brood of vipers! Who warned you to flee from the coming wrath? Produce fruit in keeping with repentance.' " (Luke 3:7-8a).

In other words, they won't pull out of this mess by hiring new speech writers or talking heads who can communicate their message more clearly. In order to fix their communicating style, they need to fix their message. And in order to fix their message, they need to fix their lives.

It's pretty basic.


36 posted on 11/05/2004 11:44:20 AM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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Their "new" approach: Lie like hell. Pretend to be not elitist while pushing surrogate decision-making as general policy.


41 posted on 11/05/2004 12:01:39 PM PST by MitchellC (No gamma rays for oil.)
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