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5 Nov. 2004 | NavyGuy

Posted on 11/05/2004 5:53:39 AM PST by navyguy

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To: tonycavanagh

Splain me how we are a bunch of knuckledragging fundamentalist idiots according to the British Press but the Muslims are not.


61 posted on 11/05/2004 6:49:15 AM PST by AppyPappy (If You're Not A Part Of The Solution, There's Good Money To Be Made In Prolonging The Problem.)
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To: razzle

Get the Red Coats on boys, I can smell beans


62 posted on 11/05/2004 6:49:57 AM PST by pau1f0rd
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To: AngloSaxon
What is this everyone hates us stuff that some freepers are always going on about.

I blame there high schools with this Mr and Mrs Popular culture makes em all paranoid about not being loved by everyone.

Tony

63 posted on 11/05/2004 6:50:30 AM PST by tonycavanagh
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To: navyguy

They used to say in Europe that they hated George W. Bush, but loved the American people. I wouldn't be surprised if they now decide to hate most of us, since we voted for him.


64 posted on 11/05/2004 6:53:35 AM PST by You Dirty Rats (31 Red States - All Your Senate Are Belong To Us!!)
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To: navyguy

Keep in mind that, Bill Clinton was not interested
foriegn policy, he did what the Europeans wanted.
Europeans still have not figured out why (now) nobody
pays attention to them.


65 posted on 11/05/2004 6:53:55 AM PST by greasepaint
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To: navyguy

That's a bummer


66 posted on 11/05/2004 6:54:28 AM PST by Tribune7
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To: tonycavanagh
We don’t hate you, but I have to admit after a day of freeping where Americans are telling me that my country stinks, that we had our asses kicked, that you saved us from the Germans, that we are all nancy boys, that we are all bucked teeth, and so on and so forth.

I have to admit that then maybe Americans are not my most favorite people.

I have nothing but respoect for the way England stood alone against the Nazis for so long.

You should hear the things they say about Kentuckians and Hoosiers. Some freepers have accused me of having no teeth, marrying my cousin, and being a corn-chomping hick. I ignore it and laugh it off.

I hear Freepers saying wonderful things about the Brits. Tony Blair is a real hero here. He is a man of courage and conviction. When I read threads about Iraq, I see prayers for the British troops and posts of thanks.

67 posted on 11/05/2004 6:54:29 AM PST by Samwise (This day does not belong to one man but to all. --Aragorn)
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To: tonycavanagh

respoect = respect


68 posted on 11/05/2004 6:55:13 AM PST by Samwise (This day does not belong to one man but to all. --Aragorn)
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To: greasepaint
Keep in mind that, Bill Clinton was not interested foriegn policy, he did what the Europeans wanted.

Yeah. We've got you just where we want you.
69 posted on 11/05/2004 6:55:50 AM PST by pau1f0rd
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To: navyguy

Will comment later! Thanks!


70 posted on 11/05/2004 6:56:04 AM PST by RAY (They that do right are all heroes!)
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To: tonycavanagh

Sorry to disagree Tony, but I have yet to see a single positive story that simply shows something good about america withoiut editorializing it into something negative. Sorry Tony, I watch the news here every night and I simply haven't seen it.

Now, if I manage to find a copy of the Daily Telegraph then I'll be able to read something more balanced about the US. That aside, the TV news, and I include Sky News in this, is flatly anti-US. You surely recognize this.

But I do want to make clear that the BRITONS themselves aren't particularly anti-american. If they are they are discreet about it. With one or 2 exceptions they have been nothing but pleasant with me. Its the media that I find so alarming.


71 posted on 11/05/2004 6:56:12 AM PST by navyguy
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To: Ginifer

My uncle flew out of England for two years in WW II. He said he broke out in boils from a combination of the lousy chow and ugly weather the whole time he was there.


72 posted on 11/05/2004 6:57:12 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: AppyPappy
re :Splain me how we are a bunch of knuckledragging fundamentalist idiots according to the British Press but the Muslims are not.

Yes you get some elements of the press yank bashing, but we also have a raft of stories in the paper and on TV attacking Muslim Fundamentalists.

I have also seen some good factual programs on Middle America, that show them as ordinary decent people who are no different to the rest of us.

Hell on this very site you have American freepers pouring out the same anti Brits stuff, and its no different to the anti brit stuff I remember from the 80s when serving in North Ireland.

You may get anti American articles but at least you don’t have people going round British bars collecting money to finance terrorists, like you Americans did with the IRA in the 70s, 80s and even the 90s.

And one stage the IRA was almost completely American financed.

Tony

73 posted on 11/05/2004 6:59:06 AM PST by tonycavanagh
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To: navyguy

I think it's funny that the Euro press in general and French in particular have this air of snobbish sophistication to them, as if they and only they truly understand how the world works.

So isn't it funny that virtually every German, Brit, Pole, or Russian I've ever met has never been anywhere? The haughty, imperious Euros can't be bothered to drive for 2 hours to go to another country, or take a long train ride? But Americans, who need a 6 hour+ plane ride to even reach Europe, are chastised for not knowing every other language and custom on Earth.

Let's talk about which universities people around the planet pray for a shot at admission. Let's talk about Nobel Prize winners. Let's talk about superstar faculty in dozens of disciplines. Let's talk about which societies support their higher ed in a major way, and study abroad, and proportion of candidates who graduate, and go on to advanced degrees, and lead their fields. Let's talk about creating the greatest economic, cultural, and military power humanity has ever known, and let's talk about how we did it from nothing in 3 centuries.

Then let's talk about who's provincial and who's "stupid".


74 posted on 11/05/2004 7:00:10 AM PST by Gefreiter ("Flee...into the peace and safety of a new dark age." HP Lovecraft)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks
My uncle flew out of England for two years in WW II. He said he broke out in boils from a combination of the lousy chow and ugly weather the whole time he was there.

We're still on the same war rations too. Where's my dried egg allowance gone...
75 posted on 11/05/2004 7:01:36 AM PST by pau1f0rd
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To: tonycavanagh
Just get over it. Stop trying to analyzing our navel to figure out how you got to the point that you are at and get some wisdom.
76 posted on 11/05/2004 7:01:43 AM PST by Earthdweller (GGGGrandfather came over from England and Ireland for the American dream.)
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To: tonycavanagh

Tony,
Boston is a special case, and should in no way be allowed to reflect the country's broader attitudes.


77 posted on 11/05/2004 7:03:12 AM PST by Gefreiter ("Flee...into the peace and safety of a new dark age." HP Lovecraft)
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To: tonycavanagh
You got a point.

There are 55 million people in the U.K.

And 55 million Americans voted for Kerry.

The fight is between people who love freedom and people who don't and that's something we should all keep in mind.

There are a whole lot of Americans I'd trade for a whole lot of Brits (and even Frenchmen).

And thank you very much for the support you've given us in Iraq.

78 posted on 11/05/2004 7:03:33 AM PST by Tribune7
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To: tonycavanagh
And one stage the IRA was almost completely American financed.

Well said Tony.
79 posted on 11/05/2004 7:05:09 AM PST by pau1f0rd
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To: tonycavanagh
You may get anti American articles but at least you don’t have people going round British bars collecting money to finance terrorists, like you Americans did with the IRA in the 70s, 80s and even the 90s.

I always figured that British special forces would have been justified in blowing up a few South Boston bars.

80 posted on 11/05/2004 7:09:39 AM PST by Modernman (Giving money and power to government is like giving whiskey and car keys to teenage boys. - P.J.)
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