Posted on 11/05/2004 5:30:49 AM PST by Patton@Bastogne
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EXCELLENT Fallujah Military Analysis Sources:
WRETCHARD at BELMONT CLUB : 2004-11-01
The Adventures of Chester : 2004-11-01
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Readers may wish to go to The Adventures of Chester, authored by a Marine veteran of Iraq. He believes the enemy in that town is led by Abu Musab Zarqawi and sketches out the enemy order of battle, which could be from 1 to 8 thousand men.
What is the troop strength of the insurgents in Fallujah? Estimates range from 1000-8000. Does Zarqawi remain in Fallujah? I bet that he is there. After spending months -- actually a year or more -- building a base of support there, it is unlikely that he could replicate anywhere else the command and control that he has built for himself in Fallujah.
Plus, his departure would be very demoralizing to those who remain there (though of course, they may not know his whereabouts themselves). Overall, hard to tell how many bad guys are in Fallujah, but the good news is that the place has been surrounded and cordoned off for a couple of weeks now, and it's a good guess that anyone left inside is only there to fight.
A cleaner, less confusing battlefield is good for us and bad for them. Also, if Zarqawi hasn't left yet, he ain't getting out now.
Chester points out that while Fallujah is an important objective, it's seizure must be part of the entire reduction of the Al-Anbar insurgent strongholds. Therefore Ramadi is likely to be reduced as well. For more on the possible timings and directions of assault, go to his site.
The upcoming offensive is getting more and more press, more and more frequently. My initial focus was on Fallujah, but now on second thought I think it a certainty that Ramadi is going to be hit too.
Look for 5th Marines to hit Ramadi, 1st Marines to assault Fallujah, and 7th Marines to continue guarding the Syrian border in the West, and possibly act as an operational reserve. They've probably shifted a good bit of the armor that is normally a part of 7th Marines (like 1st Tank Battalion) over to either 1st or 5th. Bet on it.
1st Marines is a brigade-sized force of about 3 thousand men and the other units are of the same size, all part of the First Marine Division.
Chester's exposition above reveals a great deal about the nature of the conflict the US is facing in Iraq. The deployments suggest that Syria is the operational rear of the insurgents in the Sunni Triangle, which is why 7th Marines has been positioned to interdict the infiltration flow. The infiltration trickle finds its way to various sumps, or collection areas, where they are concentrated, tasked and launched out on attacks. Ramadi and Fallujah are probably typical of these. As Chester pointed out, they serve as command and control and probably training bases.
1st Marines will be supported by attachments, such as a logistics group and both aerial and artillery fires. The Iraqi component may consist of a slightly smaller force.
The possible ground force deployed against Fallujah will be on the order of 5,000 men of whom about 3 thousand will be American. A glance at a large scale map (courtesy of Global Security) will give the reader a feel for the terrain.
The enemy has attempted a spoiling attack on a convoy of Marines, possibly a support unit, was hit as it made its way to Fallujah's outskirts today. Eight Marines were killed and the Iraqi troops accompanying them returned fire which may have killed 14 civilians in vehicles on the highway. The pre-battle maneuver may have started in earnest.
On Saturday, insurgents fired mortars at Marine positions outside Fallujah. U.S. troops responded with "the strongest artillery barrage in recent weeks," according to Marine spokesman 1st Lt. Lyle Gilbert. Later in the afternoon, a Marine Harrier jet bombed a guerrilla mortar position inside Fallujah, then strafed it with machine-gun fire, Gilbert said. He had no reports of insurgent casualties. Crowds of Iraqis peered skyward as a pair of warplanes circled over the rebel-held city, where large explosions rumbled Saturday afternoon. Insurgents fired rockets and mortars toward U.S. Marine positions.
Fallujah watchers will have noticed that the Marines are closing out a last round of negotiations for surrender while they have been progressively shutting down insurgent checkpoints within the city by hitting them with smart munitions.
My own speculation is that the negotiations were launched, not in the expectation of getting Zarqawi to lay down his arms, but in order to negotiate a separate peace with the different factions in town. The impending assault has been used as a negotiating lever to create gaps in the enemy ranks. This process is calculated to blind the enemy by shutting down his pickets and poison his intelligence channels -- not to mention introducing mutual suspicion and internecine fighting.
The main event next week will doubtless be the Presidential elections but for Marines in Anbar, their minds may will be on matters closer at hand.
US ORDER OF BATTLE
The Black Watch and 1st The Queen's Dragoon Guards are moving from their relatively quiet neighborhood in southern Iraq to the outskirts of western Baghdad. This will allow the I Marine Expeditionary Force's 1st Marine Division, which is based in Al-Anbar province to shift an extra battalion to the Fallujah/Ramadi area, probably to use as a tactical reserve.
My guess is that the attack will be prosecuted by the 1st Marine Regiment, with appropriate attachments, supported by CSSB-1 and given air support by at least a full Marine Air Group.
The forces that go in will be based in the MEK Training Camp, or Al Taqaddum Airbase (note: this is all publicly available information).
I think it is safe to guess that it will take the British forces about a week to get settled into their new area of operations. They should take at least a week to get to know the area with the Marines they are relieving. For a permanent relief, two-four weeks would be more accurate, but I think the shift of British troops is a temporary move -- maybe for six weeks tops for the course of the battle and the cleanup.
In addition to 1st Marines, the order of battle will include at least a 3:2 ratio of US to Iraqi forces (same as Samarra): I estimate this at around 2000 to 3000 Marines on the ground, with 1300-2000 Iraqi forces attached to the regiment.
Globalstrategy.org is also reporting that around 1000 members of the Army's 10th Special Forces Group have recently been deployed from Colorado, with no mention of where they are going.
The article states that the only two possible destinations for these Green Berets are: to find Osama bin Laden, or to reinforce Marine units preparing to assault Fallujah.
I don't think they are going to the Paki-Afghani border. Not only do I think that Osama is most likely dead (why haven't we heard from him in 2 and 1/2 years?), but I also think that in the estimation of the Pentagon and the Bush administration, events on the ground in Iraq, especially those involving Zarqwai, are a greater threat to US stratgey than is the finding of Osama at this particular moment.
Would Green Berets be helpful with Marines? Not so sure about this one. Usually you would want to train for a good bit together before adding them to the mix, so you could be sure that your techniques and theirs are mutually understandable. This would not be the case though, if the ODA teams are going to be given a very specific mission, like manhunts, or lasing targets, or using the their language skills in a civil-affairs role after the fight.
Or you could give them a particular part of the battlespace, like a certain neighborhood or area where their skills might work best. Another idea: let's assume that the US has VERY GOOD ground intelligence on the locations and activities of the insurgent forces. This is a safe assumption given the time put in to developing and working with Iraqi National Forces, and because of the number of successful precision airstrikes that we've pulled off lately.
The thing that could make those intelligence sources really sing in a productive manner, and decrease our decision cycle greatly, would be to link them up with US forces that speak Arabic and have expertise in targeting and urban pursuit.
My overall opinion: if you see 1000 Green Berets show up in Fallujah, the reason they will be there is their Arabic skills, only a few dozen will participate in the fight, and the rest will roll in during the aftermath for intelligence exploitation. One thousand is a TON of Green Berets though. A thousand would normally be employed over a very large area. You just don't mass those troops on the battlefield.
But this campaign has seen stranger things . . . another way to employ a large number would be if they were going to integrate with Iraqi National Forces for the battle. But again, you don't do this without some extensive training together. At this point in the game, whoever has been training the Iraqis and working with them is going to continue to do so. They're not going to bring in any pinch-hitters here in the ninth inning.
THE BARBARIAN ORDER OF BATTLE
What is the troop strength of the insurgents in Fallujah? Estimates range from 1000-8000. Does Zarqawi remain in Fallujah? I bet that he is there. After spending months -- actually a year or more -- building a base of support there, it is unlikely that he could replicate anywhere else the command and control that he has built for himself in Fallujah. Plus, his departure would be very demoralizing to those who remain there (though of course, they may not know his whereabouts themselves).
Overall, hard to tell how many bad guys are in Fallujah, but the good news is that the place has been surrounded and cordoned off for a couple of weeks now, and it's a good guess that anyone left inside is only there to fight. A cleaner, less confusing battlefield is good for us and bad for them. Also, if Zarqawi hasn't left yet, he ain't getting out now.
THE LENGTH OF THE BATTLE AND CASUALTIES
The downside to having cordoned off the city and given the Iraqis an ultimatum is that it gives them plenty of time to prepare for our assault. If they are truly skilled, they can plan an intricate defense-in-depth, fighting to the very last man, booby-trapping the city, clearing fields of fire, setting up minefields etc. This will make things a little more difficult for us, but not much. We know how to deal with such defenses -- just will make things drag a little more.
And the aerial intelligence on a detailed level that the US can gather from assets like the Predator UAVs cannot be discounted. More than likely we've also got a team or two of reconnaissance Marines sitting quietly on a rooftop during the day and watching everything like crazy at night.
The longer we wait to attack, the better the insurgent defenses get. The flip side is that the better our intelligence gets as well.
How long will the battle last? Robert D. Kaplan, the Atlantic Monthly columnist, was embedded with Marines in Fallujah during the April uprising. Only two battalions participated in that assault, and Kaplan estimates that they had taken 20% of the city in five days. How to guess here? Figure larger American force, plus a new Iraqi National Force, larger enemy force, much better intelligence for us.
I think we can take the entire city in two weeks, three tops. For more of Kaplan's description of that battle, see the Atlantic's June/July issue (note; I think this is subscriber-only content).
NEGOTIATIONS WON'T WORK
Don't expect there to be a political settlement if you assume:
1. There are foreign fighters in some number in the city.
2. We cannot tolerate foreign fighters.
3. The Interim gov't must flex its muscles over the entire country, not just the majority of it.
4. The sheiks are not going to turn in the foreign fighters.
5. The foreign fighters aren't just going to pick up and go home.
Face it. The bad guys have coalesced in Fallujah and other similar places. Now we have to kick over the ant bed and kill whatever crawls out.
THE DECISIVE BATTLE OF THE IRAQ CAMPAIGN
Destroying the insurgency in Fallujah will be the second decisive battle of the entire Iraqi campaign. The first was in Baghdad in April of 2003. That signalled the end of Saddam's regime and the beginning of something completely new and different.
Fallujah is not only the center of gravity of the entire insurgency, offering a source of refuge, capital, psychological motivation, munitions, and command and control to the anti-Iraqi insurgents, but it is also a psychological strong point in the Arab mind throughout the region. Check out the references to Fallujah in popular music, as mentioned in this Marine Corps Times article. Cleaning the place out will strike a very powerful blow that will reverberate throughout the region.
The attack will begin on or about November 3rd. Bush cannot afford a casualty spike before the election. But he also cannot wait any longer, whether he wins or not. There must be enough time before January for the battle to be completed, a new government installed in Fallujah, the psychological victory to be pursued in other cities, and intelligence found there to be acted upon.
This battle will have an incredible impact on the legitimacy of the Iraqi government, the participation in elections, and the overall course of the entire Iraqi theater. As soon as the US election is over, look for the battle to begin.
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Zarqawi is in Iran. he runs the show from there, and has done so since the last time we went in to Fallujah. I'll post some references for that in a minute.
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BAGHDAD The United States has launched a military offensive near the Iraqi-Syrian border.
U.S. officials said the military offensive focused on several major Sunni insurgency strongholds in the Anbar province, which borders Syria.
They said the strongholds comprised Faluja and Ramadi, two cities said to be controlled by insurgents, particularly those loyal to the former Saddam Hussein regime as well as Abu Mussib Al Zarqawi.
[On Monday, 18 people were killed when a rocket slammed into a hotel in Tikrit, Middle East Newsline reported. The U.S. military said the rocket was apparently fired by insurgents in an attack on a U.S. military camp in the city.]
U.S. fighter-jets struck suspected Al Zarqawi strongholds in Faluja on Sunday while insurgents countered with mortars, rocket-propelled grenades and roadside bombs. Faluja was said to be the base of Al Zarqawi.
In Ramadi, 50 kilometers west of Faluja, about 2,000 U.S. forces struck insurgency strongholds in the city.
At least nine U.S. Marines were killed in fighting over the weekend, regarded as the heaviest in weeks around Faluja. Another nine were reportedly injured in preparations for what appeared to be a ground offensive against Faluja, which harbors about 2,000 insurgents. On Monday, residents were said to be fleeing Faluja to avoid being entangled in the expected U.S. attack.
So far, about 3,000 suspected insurgents have been captured in Iraq over the last week. Officials said they were identified largely as members of the former Saddam regime and loyal to former Vice President Izzet Ibrahim Al Douri.
Iraqi Prime Minister Iyad Alawi said Al Douri's deputy and his assistant were captured in the operation. The prime minister told a news conference on Sunday that the Iraqi military operation was continuing.
"In a very short time we have arrested 3,000 gunmen who were working under Izzat Al Douri," Prime Minister Iyad Alawi said.
Alawi said Iraqi authorities also arrested 167 suspected Islamist insurgents over the past few weeks. The prime minister said most of them were foreign Arab nationals and included four senior Tawhid operatives. The operatives were identified as Abu Anas Al Shami, a Palestinian, Abu Mohammed Al Lubnani, from Lebanon, Abu Ahmed Al Tabuki, from Saudi Arabia and Abu Omar Al Masri, an Egyptian.
"Anyone who does not fulfill Iraqi government decisions in terms of the rule of law will be pursued," Alawi said.
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It is necessary to seal off the Syrian enabled effort before taking down Iran. Destruction of in-Iraq insurgents supplied by Iran is necessary to stop Shia-Sunni collaboration. Sunni Islamicists will grow tired of being used as fodder by the Ayatollahs if the Ayatollahs themselves will not use some of their own and expose them as fodder for destruction.
please pray for Jordan, he's in the 1st Marine there..
God watch over them all and give them a miraculous victory that will be to the glory of the One and Only God.
Amen - Godspeed to all of them.
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A legend for a city map of Fallujah, made out of gravels and Lego stones, is on display for training purpose at a base outside Fallujah, Iraq (news - web sites), Friday, Nov. 5 , 2004. More than 10,000 U.S. troops have taken positions around rebel-controlled Fallujah, bolstering the U.S. Marine units expected to lead a joint Army-Marine assault on the city. (AP Photo/Anja Niedringhaus) |
Thanks you, sdpatriot. I can now add Jordan to my prayers by name. Believe me, I am praying.
For Jordan,
"...Grant us fair weather for Battle. Graciously hearken to us as soldiers who call upon Thee that, armed with Thy power, we may advance from victory to victory, and crush the oppression and wickedness of our enemies and establish Thy justice among men and nations." General George S. Patton
I saw footage on Fox of AC-130's blasting barricades overnight. Wish I could see the whole thing.
thanks for this thread, which helps me know better how to pray for this situation.
fyi ... this is on my mind and might be on yours as well.
thank you! please add Clint also.. he is still in Najaf last i heard.. but he maybe heading there too.. in the Marines also. Jordan and his buddies are grieving for a lost brother right now... pray they can keep their grief at bay and their minds clear and sharp for the days ahead.
is there a thread for soldier prayer request at FR? i'm still pretty new here..
the picture of the Marine and legend for a city map of Fallujah really made me smile.. now i know what they are doing with all those poker chips i sent : )
i was hoping they used them for a relaxing game of cards.. but i guess they had more important uses for them. what awesome and resourcefull fellows.
i loved the Patton Prayer. i'm collecting Military prayers and poems and making a little booklet of them to send my two Marines.. this one will be in there.
thank you all for the prayers.. it helps so much to know American patriots are in prayer for our troops..
Have you been to the FReeper Canteen? If not, you will love it. I'll go over and send you a ping. Our FReeper friend, trussell, is one of our group of excellent prayer warriors. She can put you on her list. We are so happy to have you here. Thank Jordan and Clint for their service for me. Prayers being said.
At this point, after losing dozens of our best trying to play nice, it makes no sense whatsoever to take prisoners, unless it is among the "leaders", of "foreign" persuasion, where a public hanging might be more appropriate.
"At this point, after losing dozens of our best trying to play nice, it makes no sense whatsoever to take prisoners"
I don't think capturing prisoners will be a top priority in this operation but it's pretty hard for our regular troops to not accept surrenders. Trigger pullers in uniform don't get paid enough to dispense summary justice to POWs and suspects. If there's any wet work to be done somebody else will have to do it.
The canteen is the best place for troops support. I would be happy to add you to the prayer warrior ping list, but I do need for you to ask me to do so.
You can also start a thread for specific prayer requests. I'll send you a private FReepmail with instructions. If you do, pleae send me a ping. Just open "Post Reply" and put my name in the "TO" box.
Bahbah-Thank you for the compliment!
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