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A Blue City (Disconsolate, Even) Bewildered by a Red America
New York Times ^ | 11/04/2004 | JOSEPH BERGER

Posted on 11/04/2004 11:18:32 AM PST by JerseyRepub

The superior, condescending attitude just drips off the page. Even they admit it and they seem to be proud of it. And they wonder why they lost and no one gets them!

An excerpt from the article...

Dr. Joseph, a bearded, broad-shouldered man with silken gray hair, was sharing coffee and cigarettes with his fellow dog walker, Roberta Kimmel Cohn, at an outdoor table outside the hole-in-the-wall Breadsoul Cafe near Lincoln Center. The site was almost a cliché corner of cosmopolitan Manhattan, with a newsstand next door selling French and Italian newspapers and, a bit farther down, the Lincoln Plaza theater showing foreign movies.

"I'm saddened by what I feel is the obtuseness and shortsightedness of a good part of the country - the heartland," Dr. Joseph said. "This kind of redneck, shoot-from-the-hip mentality and a very concrete interpretation of religion is prevalent in Bush country - in the heartland."

"New Yorkers are more sophisticated and at a level of consciousness where we realize we have to think of globalization, of one mankind, that what's going to injure masses of people is not good for us," he said.

His friend, Ms. Cohn, a native of Wisconsin who deals in art, contended that New Yorkers were not as fooled by Mr. Bush's statements as other Americans might be. "New Yorkers are savvy," she said. "We have street smarts. Whereas people in the Midwest are more influenced by what their friends say."

"They're very 1950's," she said of Midwesterners. "When I go back there, I feel I'm in a time warp."

Dr. Joseph acknowledged that such attitudes could feed into the perception that New Yorkers are cultural elitists, but he didn't apologize for it.

"People who are more competitive and proficient at what they do tend to gravitate toward cities," he said.

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


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To: JerseyRepub

You have to love the elitism from the overly populated "behavioral sink".....


"Norway rats have been bred in scientific laboratories since the middle nineteenth century. Artificial selection has elicited-partly through unconscious choices by laboratory personnel-a strain of rats that is calmer, tamer, less aggressive, more fertile, and with significantly smaller brains than their wild ancestors. All this is a convenience for those experimenting on rats.

In a now-classic experiment, the psychologist John B. Calhoun let Norway rats reproduce in an enclosure of fixed size until the number of occupants, and therefore the population density, was very high. He made sure, however, to provide everyone with enough to eat. What happened?

As the population increased, a range of unusual behavior was noted. Nursing mothers became somehow distracted, rejecting and abandoning their infants, who would wither away and die. Despite the surplus of ordinary food, the bodies of the newborn would be greedily eaten by passersby. An adult female in heat or estrus would be pursued relentlessly, not by one, but by a pack of males. She had no hope of escape, or even sanctuary. Obstetrical and gynecological disorders proliferated, and many females died giving birth, or from complications soon after. When crowded together, the rats lost their inclination or ability to build nests for themselves and their young; their desultory constructions were amateurish and ineffective.

Among the males Calhoun distinguished four types: the dominant, highly aggressive ones who, although "the most normal," would occasionally go "berserk"; the homosexuals who made sexual advances to adults and juveniles of both sexes (but, significantly, only to non ovulating females): their invitations were generally accepted, or at least tolerated, but they were frequently attacked by the dominant males; a wholly passive population that "moved through the community like somnambulists" with nearly complete social disorientation; and a subgroup Calhoun calls the "probers," uninvolved in the struggle for status but hyperactive, hypersexual, bisexual, and cannibalistic.

from Carl Sagan and Ann Druyan
"Shadows of Forgotten Ancestors"
Ballentine Books 1992
pages 184-185


41 posted on 11/04/2004 11:39:23 AM PST by JoJo Gunn (More than two lawyers in any Country constitutes a terrorist organization. ©)
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To: thoughtomator

And who makes all the corn and beans and sugar beets and wheat to FEED those arrogant NYCers?

Do they think they are the only people who make this country hum? I'd like to see the blue-staters survive as their own country and see how they like it.


42 posted on 11/04/2004 11:39:30 AM PST by Abigail Adams
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To: Sthitch

Good for you!


43 posted on 11/04/2004 11:39:34 AM PST by mondonico (Peace through Superior Firepower)
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To: JerseyRepub

This is about as arrogant and condescending at it can get.


44 posted on 11/04/2004 11:39:49 AM PST by KC_Conspirator (I am poster #48)
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To: Sthitch

"A table full of older, very liberal looking (yes you can usually spot them right off)"

Ann Coulter says, "In blue states, the liberal men are usually the ones with beards."


45 posted on 11/04/2004 11:41:08 AM PST by Forgiven_Sinner (Europe: name one nation you have ever liberated. I won't hold my breath.)
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To: JerseyRepub

Arrogant bigots.

And very stupid. With attitudes like that, it will be a cold day in hell before the South even looks at a Dem candidate cross-eyed, much less vote for him.


46 posted on 11/04/2004 11:41:22 AM PST by najida (Liberals are the ultimate arrogant bigot....but they don't even know it.)
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To: steve8714
what is NY on top of?

Girlie-slaps. Just as A-Rod.

47 posted on 11/04/2004 11:42:43 AM PST by Hemingway's Ghost (Spirit of '75)
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To: steve8714
what is NY on top of?

Girlie-slaps. Just ask A-Rod.

48 posted on 11/04/2004 11:42:54 AM PST by Hemingway's Ghost (Spirit of '75)
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To: JerseyRepub
Saddam thought he was the most powerful man in the world, with the most powerful military in the world, before Desert Storm. That was because he knew noting about life outside of Iraq.

The left, packed into their liberal inner cities full of whores, diseased homosexuals , drug dealers, homelessness, garbage and backed up sewers, air pollution, misery, despair, social parasites begging for a free handout, all think the same way. They think the rest of the country lives and thinks like them, and only they know what's best for the world and how only they can fix it.

In the rest of America (the heart), we have trees and fields. Fresh air, friendly neighbors, and beautiful healthy children. We have open space, churches, animals that run free. We have cleanliness, honor, and patriotism. We have wonder, joy, and peace. We love this country, and are happy in it. We do, through, get tired of having to care for those in the liberal cities. If they were to learn from us, rather than demanding we learn from them, they too could be as joyous and as free as we are.

In a way, there are 2 Americas. Miserable pro-death liberal inner city people , and pro-life beautiful open spaces people.

People have decided which people they'd prefer to be. They've chosen to be the happy people. They've chosen to join us.

49 posted on 11/04/2004 11:43:07 AM PST by concerned about politics (Vote Republican - Vote morally correct!)
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To: Theophilus

"People who are more competitive and proficient at what they do tend to gravitate toward cities,"




Only during the day, as they return to their comfortable suburban homes by night. liberals always refuse to live amongh the peasents they preside over.


50 posted on 11/04/2004 11:45:22 AM PST by cwb (Defeat after defeat, Democrats are still living in denial.)
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To: gatesbrown

And to even further emphasize the delusional nature of these folks: Take a look at that county-by-county map that's floating around.
Appears to me most of NY state went Bush. Only "The City" and immediate vicinity went Kerry.
Gosh, if these people want to meet someone in the "redneck hinterlands"...all they have to do is leave town and drive about an hour in any direction.


51 posted on 11/04/2004 11:46:10 AM PST by CarolTX (Onward through the fog)
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To: JerseyRepub
"They're very 1950's," she said of Midwesterners. "When I go back there, I feel I'm in a time warp."
With apologies to Rocky Horror ...
It's just a jump from the left.
And then a step to the right ...

Let's do the Time Warp today!!!


52 posted on 11/04/2004 11:47:35 AM PST by eastsider
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To: Mrs. Xtrmst
They are isolated. They don't debate issues with anyone or even encounter real people who hold views different from their own.

It's more than just self-isolation from contact with the fly-over country Americans, it's an ingrained sense of intellectual superiority over what was once called "the rubes".

Their immediate problem is that the MSM is being replaced by other venues of news communication, and the "left wing viewpoint only" lock has been broken wide open. They haven't realized that to ever win future major elections, they will have to take into account the views of the depised middle Americans - and worst of all, the millions of Evangelical Christians they hate so much.

They can't have the Bolshevik take-over, ala 1918, of their dreams and that's what so many of their hard-core long for.

53 posted on 11/04/2004 11:47:44 AM PST by xJones
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To: Forgiven_Sinner

How very very true. Half the table had them.


54 posted on 11/04/2004 11:48:31 AM PST by Sthitch
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To: JerseyRepub
"If the heartland feels so alienated from us, then it behooves us to wrap our arms around the heartland," she said. "We need to bring our way of life, which is honoring diversity and having compassion for people with different lifestyles, on a trip around the country."

Please Please Please don't do us any favors!

55 posted on 11/04/2004 11:50:56 AM PST by Desron13
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To: JerseyRepub

I have a friend at work that sounds like those in the article. He bemoaned the "southern rednecks" that were ruining his country. I went over to his desk later saying "come out with your hands up... we have you surrounded" and dropped a color copy of the county-by-county map on his desk.

His reaction was priceless.


56 posted on 11/04/2004 11:54:18 AM PST by NY.SS-Bar9
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To: JerseyRepub
Where to start, where to start...???

Here's a few obtuse, short-sighted comments I heard from my neighbor.

Laffer? Proven right by such other gullible idiots as Kennedy and Reagan. But, the elitists won't be drawn in by the marginal rate versus total revenue argument. Obtuse? I'd say somebody has trouble learning from history, but it ain't me.

Social Security Reform? It's an unfunded liability to the tune of trillions (as Bush says..."that's trillion, with a 'T'"). The teachers unions have voted out governors that "rob" their overfunded pensions to the tune of millions (with an 'M'), but their elitist leaders wouldn't think to point out the deficiencies of the current Social Security system. Who's shortsighted on this issue?

Strict construction versus legislating from the bench. Well, simply put, we've got separate branches of government for a reason.

Gay rights, civil rights, hate crimes, women's rights, etc. Ya got it already...please read the 14th Amendment. We've read it in the heartland.

National security? Well, let's just say that the sue 'em / jail 'em attitude we took after the first WTC bombing in 1993 didn't work out all that well. These people are practicing martyrs here, folks...they laugh at prosecuting attorneys and judges. They want martyrdom...the solution is to bring it to them before they impose it on us. The street smart person would bring a lawyer to a duel...I'd bring a pistol. Who would win?

Oh...and in the midwest...the competitive and proficient leave the cities for the suburbs and rural areas.

The 50's were an idyllic time. I disagree with her premise, but given the choice, I'd take 50's in the heartland over 60's in the city any day.

Finally, just because we don't follow in lockstep with what the so-called intelligentsia and the mainstream media say doesn't make us unintelligent. If anything, it indicates that we are free-thinking, discerning individuals. God help the sheep that follow Dan, Tom, and Peter.

P.S. 99th percentile GMATs across the board. Beat that, doctor.

57 posted on 11/04/2004 11:56:47 AM PST by Fredgoblu
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To: JerseyRepub

If I remember correctly, it was elitists, living in cities, who had lost track of religion, morals, and finally family, who led to the destruction of the western Roman Empire.

We hope to not follow in their footsteps.


58 posted on 11/04/2004 12:02:03 PM PST by HomeschoolGenealogistMom
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To: JerseyRepub
I was born in New York City. I have spent most of my adult life in New York City. I love it here.

However, I don't understand the disdain that NYers have for the rest of the country. And it's not just New York. Angelenos do it too. So do Chicagoans. So do San Franciscans and Bostonians. From my personal experience, most big-city dwellers do look down their respective noses at the "country mice." And it's just wrong.

Just because I don't want to live in Wichita, it doesn't mean I have the right to put them down.

I absolutely despise liberals, and their treatment of those who don't agree with them makes me despise them all the more.
59 posted on 11/04/2004 12:03:45 PM PST by kellynch (Whining about income inequality is a cop-out. -- Walter E. Williams)
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To: Wild Irish Rogue
"They're very 1950's," she said of Midwesterners. "When I go back there, I feel I'm in a time warp."

Time warp? Hell, most residents of Manhattan think anything west of the Delaware Water Gap is Indian country ... they're the ones living in a time warp. They're insular in the extreme.

60 posted on 11/04/2004 12:04:14 PM PST by BluH2o
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