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GOP wants to tighten voting laws
Millwaukee Journal Sentinel ^ | 11/03/04 | STEVE SCHULTZE

Posted on 11/04/2004 6:36:01 AM PST by machman

Party asserts that potential for fraud is too great in state

By STEVE SCHULTZE sschultze@journalsentinel.com Posted: Nov. 3, 2004

With the dust from the presidential race still settling - and Wisconsin barely dodging Florida's fate in 2000 - Republicans on Wednesday renewed calls for tightening voting laws to lessen the potential for election fraud.

State Republican Party Chairman Rick Graber and Assembly Speaker John Gard called for changing the law to require voters to show a picture ID card before being allowed to vote. They said that problems Republicans uncovered in Milwaukee underscored the need for the change.

GOP officials charged that thousands of voters in Milwaukee were registered to bad addresses, such as vacant lots, and also complained about a voter registration project with local jail inmates, some of whom were felons and not entitled to vote.

Gard, of Peshtigo, promised that lawmakers would consider a measure to require voter identification at the polls when the Legislature convenes in January.

"Democrats and Republicans alike should be concerned about the incredible problems we had across this state," Gard said. Barrett criticized

Gard blasted Milwaukee Mayor Tom Barrett's handling of the voter registration problems. "(He) has got to be embarrassed about what happened in Milwaukee," Gard said. "You've got thousands of addresses they know don't exist."

Barrett and Lisa Artison, executive director of the city Election Commission, said Wednesday that voting went smoothly, aside from some long lines at a few polling places. Barrett said those problems were largely confined to 35th Street School and a couple of other voting sites and were corrected by adding poll workers.

Milwaukee County District Attorney E. Michael McCann agreed that voting went well overall. His office is investigating one claim of double-voting and an instance in which a senior citizen who had already voted absentee was given another ballot when he accompanied his wife to the polls. The man didn't use it; instead, he turned it over to McCann's office. Poll observers credited

Hundreds of election observers, favoring either President Bush or Democratic Sen. John Kerry of Massachusetts, contributed to the smooth running of the election, McCann said. But the large number of observers were a function of the red-hot presidential race and shouldn't be counted on for patrolling future races, he said.

While Republicans continued to stress Wisconsin's vulnerability to election fraud, Democrats and others said the relative lack of problems in Tuesday's election suggested the laws needed no overhaul.

Barrett, Gov. Jim Doyle and McCann - all Democrats - said requiring a picture ID is unnecessary. Most people use a driver's license as their photo identification; those who don't have a license could be discouraged from voting, Barrett said.

Doyle remains staunchly opposed to the photo ID measure, a version of which he vetoed in the last legislative session. He said this year's election fears were "a lot more brouhaha than reality."

Doyle singled out long lines as the most serious problem. That can be rectified for future elections by implementing a planned computerized voter registration list and increasing the number of poll workers, he said. 2 reforms offered

McCann suggested two reforms: better funding for election officials so that well-trained poll inspectors can be hired and voter lists that are regularly updated.

"We are running elections on the cheap," McCann said.

He also said the state should make it illegal to pay a bounty for each new voter registration, a system that can encourage abuses such as ones discovered this year in Milwaukee and Racine.

Assembly Minority Leader Jim Kreuser (D-Kenosha) said Democrats plan to introduce a bill soon that would automatically register people who have a Wisconsin driver's license.

Charles Franklin, a University of Wisconsin-Madison political scientist, said Wisconsin came close to becoming a legal battleground for a contested presidential election - something that likely would have happened had Kerry won in Ohio.

Given the high stakes presidential race, an Ohio win by Kerry might have prompted a post-election effort by Republicans to press charges of Wisconsin balloting problems and seek a recount here, Franklin said.

He said both sides in the presidential race hyped potential problems with the voting process as a way to gain some advantage. In general, Wisconsin's voting problems "aren't that serious," Franklin said.

Milwaukee County Executive Scott Walker said most of the extra 277,000 ballots that were provided to the city at Barrett's insistence probably were unneeded, as Walker had argued.

Had Wisconsin turned into a battleground, those extra ballots might have turned into a hot issue, Walker said.

Patrick Marley and Stacy Forster of the Journal Sentinel staff contributed to this report.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Extended News; Government; Politics/Elections; US: Wisconsin
KEYWORDS: democrats; electionday; electionfraud; registrationfraud; votefraud; voterfraud
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To: machman
There is a big problem in NH as well. Many people who reside in Massachusetts have vacation homes in NH. Since a national election is not really contested in MA like it is in NH they drive up Monday night to their seasonal homes and register to vote on the day of the election in their NH town. Although quite legal at the outset it would be illegal if they vote in their MA town in the next election. I believe that the town moderators and supervisors of the checklists in small NH towns, all these jobs are volunteer, do not follow up on the new registrants. It is a free-for-all and the only way to solve it is to verify domicile and have a registration deadline before an election and require ID. Sounds sensible to me, how 'bout you?
21 posted on 11/04/2004 7:12:17 AM PST by Final Authority
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To: machman

I want the DOJ or some official body to begin to investigate the voting process in Philadelphia...the number of votes for Democrats in that city is astounding. Are they all for real, or are there phantoms out there pulling the lever for 'rats?


22 posted on 11/04/2004 7:13:55 AM PST by SoFloFreeper
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To: machman

Step One: repeal Motor Voter


23 posted on 11/04/2004 7:14:08 AM PST by The Hound Passer
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To: machman

Death penalty for voter fraud bump!


24 posted on 11/04/2004 7:14:52 AM PST by AmishDude (Hammacher Schlemmer has better submarines than the Canadian Navy.)
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To: green iguana

Duh, I meant plates every year. DL every 4. Thanks for waking me up!


25 posted on 11/04/2004 7:15:37 AM PST by mombonn ( ¡Viva Bush/Cheney!)
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To: exnavy
Yes, you are missing something, any illegal alien can apply for a driver lic. in any state and be instantly registered to vote.

I don't see how this changes things. If an illegal alien gets a driver's license, he can use that as ID to register to vote after illegally and incorrectly verifying that he is a citizen. What makes you think that someone intent on fraud would be deterred by having to take two steps to do it rather than one?

26 posted on 11/04/2004 7:15:53 AM PST by green iguana
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To: machman
How about it you don't pay Taxes you don't vote.

All Veterans vote TWICE!

27 posted on 11/04/2004 7:19:01 AM PST by agincourt1415 (OK, Democrats ITS OVER, GET OVER IT!)
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To: machman

They were willing to give the IDs out for free and some Dems slammed that, saying that not everyone would be able or willing to keep up with an ID card. Amazing how the Demoncraps in WI make their case on the assumption that people are too stupid, lazy or irresponsible to carry a lousy ID.


28 posted on 11/04/2004 7:19:41 AM PST by mafree (Ding Dong Daschle's Gone!)
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To: green iguana

Motor/voter is kinda like the shall issue concealled weapons law, the secretary of state offices cannot deny a voter registration application. No confirmation of citizenship, address confirmation etc. is required. VOTE FRAUD


29 posted on 11/04/2004 7:21:16 AM PST by exnavy
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To: green iguana
I'm assuming here that motor/voter still requires the same form to be filled out (verifying US citizenship, non-felon etc.) in order to register.

Nothing about citizenship or felon status is asked on driver's license/state ID applications in WI. Not sure about other states.

30 posted on 11/04/2004 7:22:23 AM PST by mafree (Ding Dong Daschle's Gone!)
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To: machman

I think that voter fraud is a lot more widespread than anyone thinks. What is to stop a college student from sending an absentee ballot to his home state and registering to vote from his college address, too? My Mom worked at a polling place Tuesday which had a huge number of college students voting and wondered how many of them were actually out-of-staters double-dipping.


31 posted on 11/04/2004 7:23:00 AM PST by mollynme (cogito, ergo freepum)
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To: exnavy

They better do something about PA, I am not crazy about standing in line for 1 hour and 40 mins and seeing 110% voter turnout in that cesspool they call Phila.


32 posted on 11/04/2004 7:27:49 AM PST by Bossy Gillis
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To: machman

I think Michigan was stolen too. Especially after seeing the outstate returns.


33 posted on 11/04/2004 7:29:47 AM PST by Dan from Michigan ("Dead or alive, I got a .45 - and I never miss!!!" - AC/DC - Problem Child)
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To: exnavy
No confirmation of citizenship, address confirmation etc. is required.

Well if that's correct, then motor/voter should go. It makes no sense to require swearing that you're eligible to vote under normal registration and not doing so under motor/voter.

34 posted on 11/04/2004 7:30:36 AM PST by green iguana
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To: machman
We should push very hard while we control all national branches to tighten registration and ID verification for voting. The Dems can't be allowed to ratchet up fraud every time and keep moving the bar. With a full nationwide ID requirement and absentee voting reform, the Republican national margin would probably double.
35 posted on 11/04/2004 7:31:03 AM PST by JasonC
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To: machman

Concur.


36 posted on 11/04/2004 7:32:57 AM PST by Robert A Cook PE (I can only donate monthly, but Kerry's ABBCNNBCBS continue to lie every day!)
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To: green iguana

It's a bad law, also, illegals should be banned from getting drivers lic. Than deported.


37 posted on 11/04/2004 7:35:07 AM PST by exnavy
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To: green iguana
Am I missing something?

Yes. "Motor voter" automatically registers them to vote. There would be no other forms to fill out. That's precisely the problem. When you consider that liberals propose giving illegal aliens driver's licenses, then you begin to see the real problem.

I would have no problem with making voter registration available at the same time as getting your DL, but don't ever make it automatic. If you don't have enough concern to register to vote, you sure as hell don't have any business voting!

38 posted on 11/04/2004 7:39:45 AM PST by TChris (You keep using that word. I don't think it means what you think it means.)
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To: exnavy

bump for later...


39 posted on 11/04/2004 7:40:13 AM PST by woodb01 (Take out the 'dnC'BS "news" trash... SEE ---> http://www.noDNC.com)
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To: Alia

This should be the first thing passed. We should standardize voting by requiring some form of ID to vote. I worked the polls in TEXAS. We don't require a photo ID but we require some form of ID. As long as they are on the rolls, we accept any form of ID such as credit cards, printed checks with their name on it or driver's license. I don't understand why this is such a big deal.


40 posted on 11/04/2004 7:43:54 AM PST by lone star annie
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