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A Blue City (Disconsolate, Even) Bewildered by a Red America
NY Times ^ | 04 November 2004 | Joseph Berger

Posted on 11/03/2004 7:39:23 PM PST by Lorianne

triking a characteristic New York pose near Lincoln Center yesterday, Beverly Camhe clutched three morning newspapers to her chest while balancing a large latte and talked about how disconsolate she was to realize that not only had her candidate, John Kerry, lost but that she and her city were so out of step with the rest of the country.

"Do you know how I described New York to my European friends?" she said. "New York is an island off the coast of Europe."

Like Ms. Camhe, a film producer, three of every four voters in New York City gave Mr. Kerry their vote, a starkly different choice than the rest of the nation. So they awoke yesterday with something of a woozy existential hangover and had to confront once again how much of a 51st State they are, different in their sensibilities, lifestyles and polyglot texture from most of America. The election seemed to reverse the perspective of the famous Saul Steinberg cartoon, with much of the land mass of America now in the foreground and New York a tiny, distant and irrelevant dot.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Politics/Elections; US: New York
KEYWORDS: kerry; nyc
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To: muawiyah

I once traveled to New York as part of a business training course and had a tour of Hunts' Point Terminal Market in the Bronx, which supplies all of the food going into Manhattan.
Did you know that at any one time, there is only a 2-day supply of food on Manhattan Island, including restaurants and food stores?
I'll bet they'd become a "red state" fast if they suddenly had to grow their own food and fend for themselves...


21 posted on 11/03/2004 8:01:23 PM PST by hispanarepublicana (Miss Free Republic High School-198?)
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To: CWW

I'm so far into the back of beyond in a red state that I've never even had a latte. Could Beverly fathom that?


22 posted on 11/03/2004 8:01:42 PM PST by nana4bush
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To: Lorianne
"New Yorkers are more sophisticated and at a level of consciousness where we realize we have to think of globalization, of one mankind, that what's going to injure masses of people is not good for us," he said.

"People who are more competitive and proficient at what they do tend to gravitate toward cities," he said.

I almost can't believe that people like this truly exist.

23 posted on 11/03/2004 8:02:09 PM PST by Dianna
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To: Lorianne
[S]triking a characteristic New York pose near Lincoln Center yesterday, Beverly Camhe clutched three morning newspapers to her chest while balancing a large latte ...

"... my European friends?"

Ms. Camhe, a film producer,

Those three snips should paint a picture: a pretentious, latte-drinking, Eurotrash wannabe who doesn't have a real job. Not exactly a slice of Middle America is it?

different in their sensibilities, lifestyles and polyglot texture from most of America.

That's a polite way of saying "efette, self-absorbed snobs who are culturally isolated on their own island."

... much of the land mass of America now in the foreground and New York a tiny, distant and irrelevant dot.

Yes, New York, like France, had its zenith in another era, another time, when people like F Scott Fitzgerald and William Saroyan were all the rage and "Gotham" was a metaphor for the American melting pot.

Now it's more like a chamber pot. Or "a distant, irrelevant dot."

24 posted on 11/03/2004 8:06:03 PM PST by IronJack (R)
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To: Lorianne

By the way, "disconsolatte" is brilliant!


25 posted on 11/03/2004 8:06:26 PM PST by IronJack (R)
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To: hispanarepublicana
LOL!

Good one, hispana!

That's the same way I felt when I gassed up my jacked up "Z" while drinking a cup of Seven-Eleven coffee in a styrofoam cup.

Ahhh, life is good!

26 posted on 11/03/2004 8:07:23 PM PST by TexasCowboy (COB1)
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To: A Balrog of Morgoth
Or Detroit (eyes roll).

Detroit 310504 votes
Bush 18329 - 5.90%
Kerry 290887 - 93.68%

27 posted on 11/03/2004 8:08:11 PM PST by Dan from Michigan ("Dead or alive, I got a .45 - and I never miss!!!" - AC/DC - Problem Child)
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To: Lorianne
three of every four voters in New York City gave Mr. Kerry their vote

New York, we still consider you a brother. You took a hard hit for the nation, and we will stand strong for you until you can get back on your feet and think clearly.

28 posted on 11/03/2004 8:08:47 PM PST by LearnsFromMistakes (Iowa - at home in the red.)
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To: nana4bush

Just whir some hot milk in a blender with some disolved Sanka and Voila! you've got latte.

My way ____ 23 cents
Starbucks ___ $5.35


29 posted on 11/03/2004 8:11:07 PM PST by Lorianne
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To: edwin hubble

I like New York, but they're way out of touch. NYC is like a fish bowl full of sea monkeys trying to ponder what the humans are doing. They're so tied up in their microcosm, that they can't even comprehend the number of experiences out here in the rest of the country that they haven't had.

I sometimes think that a lot of them believe that farms are all like green acres, and we're all uneducated rubes who intermarry with their cousins. The only place I've seen that's more out of touch is Southern Cali. And they're delusional. New Yorkers are just misguided when it comes to the rest of us, and vehement in the opinion that they have the best opinion. They even argue amongst themselves.

When I fist moved to NJ, it took me 6 months to adapt and not want to kick just about everyone's @ss for how rude they seemed. I finally realized that they didn't even realize they were out of line in most cases, it was just how they were.

I've know many who moved out here to the country, and they either adapt and love it, wondering how they ever lived in such a metro area, or they move out to get away from the rat race and immediately start trying to make everyone and everything just like them.

One of the funniest things I ever did was take a friend from Jersey back home to Texas for a few days. He got freaked out hard partying with us, was blown away by all the firepower we went through when we took the guns out to the country target shooting, and was totally weirded out by the other southern states we went through, Arkansas in particular. He bought a big cowboy hat and gaudy pair of boots, and wore them onto the plane when he went back. He admitted that most everybody in Jersey loved my stories about the south, but didn't really believe them. They thought they were just Texas style tall tales. He got way more than his mind had bargained for.

They're just a different breed. Like the platypus.


30 posted on 11/03/2004 8:11:20 PM PST by TheLurkerX (Kerry, what now? Concession speech to concession stand?)
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To: philo

New Yorkers are not influenced by what their friends say, unless their friends are European, or in the Media.


31 posted on 11/03/2004 8:11:41 PM PST by freakboy
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To: hispanarepublicana

When Civil War 2 begins, it will be too easy for the Red States to bring Manhattan to its knees.


32 posted on 11/03/2004 8:12:04 PM PST by Vision Thing
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To: Lorianne

Yeah, we wouldn't want to injure masses of people, even if they want to kill us.


33 posted on 11/03/2004 8:12:08 PM PST by freakboy
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To: Lorianne

And these bastards "disenfranchise" my red upstate county every election year because of their political debauchery.


34 posted on 11/03/2004 8:13:11 PM PST by L`enn
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To: Libertarian444

Right, diversity in the things that they say don't matter (race, etc.), but no diversity in thought.


35 posted on 11/03/2004 8:13:51 PM PST by freakboy
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To: Dan from Michigan

#20c BTTT


36 posted on 11/03/2004 8:13:56 PM PST by Fester Chugabrew
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To: hispanarepublicana

3 if they're lucky. I read once that in the event of a major catastrophe that disrupted the food supply, power, etc., about 80 percent of the people would be dead within 2 weeks. Mainly from violence and rioting.


37 posted on 11/03/2004 8:14:04 PM PST by TheLurkerX (Kerry, what now? Concession speech to concession stand?)
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To: justshutupandtakeit

What everyone is missing is that its not red state vs blue state, it is suburbia-rural America vs the urban centers. Almost reminds me of pre-revolutionary France. The elites that are quoted in this article are the "let them eat cake" people of our time.


38 posted on 11/03/2004 8:15:40 PM PST by L`enn
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To: L`enn

I think every state should have 1 electoral vote. Each state in the union is just as important as any other. Right now, states with large urban centers have far more sway in national politics than those with smaller populations. It makes the majority of the states unequal partners in the union.


39 posted on 11/03/2004 8:18:04 PM PST by TheLurkerX (Kerry, what now? Concession speech to concession stand?)
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To: Lorianne
Beverly Camhe clutched three morning newspapers to her chest while balancing a large latte....

This says it all, I never ever had a latte, whatever that is.

40 posted on 11/03/2004 8:19:35 PM PST by this_ol_patriot
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