[capitan_refugio]

"What remains to note of the 2004 election, though, is both interesting and undisputable: there were only four states that clearly and undisputedly sided and participated in the union cause during the civil war that voted for Bush: Iowa, Ohio, Indiana, and Kansas. Of those four, only two of them went decisively for Bush. Of the CSA states every single one went decisively for Bush."

With as many provisos and conditions as you have made on this statement, it becomes meaningless.

[GOPcapitalist]

With as many provisos and conditions as you have made on this statement, it becomes meaningless.

All I asked for was that the state fall clearly on the union side. Sure, this excludes states where loyalties were strongly divided no matter how much the Lincoln government pretended to legislate over them. But that's because the fact of that division itself means that they were not clear-cut unionist states! You can pretend that your side in Missouri was the better government than the elected confederate one but that will never change the fact that Missouri was a divided state.

When it comes to clear cut union states, there are only four that voted for Bush. What's so difficult to understand about that, capitan?

[GOPcapitalist]

Here you go, capitan.

Notice that there are three types of states on the map:

The seceded states (both before and after sumter)

The border states

The union states

Out of all the union states, there are only four that voted for Bush: Ohio, Indiana, Iowa, and Kansas.

Do you comprehend now or are you going to respond with more word games and obfuscation?

[BykrBayb]

Really? I wasn't at all confused by it. Try reading it again.