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Massachusets Cost Kerry the Presidency (vanity)

Posted on 11/03/2004 1:34:50 AM PST by mlocher

as i write this, i realize that no official winner of the election has been named by the networks, but the numbers simply do not add up for kerry. he has lost and bush has won.

why did kerry lose? many people on this site are crediting conservative evangelicals going out to vote, and in fact the exit polls (for what they are worth) and other data obtained and reported on several networks suggest this. differing demographic groups said the top three issues were: moral issues, economy and terrorism, but not necessarily in that order. among white women, for instance, moral issues were their biggest concern. other demographic groups had the same three concerns, with no clearly apparent leading concern, but not necessarily all in the same order. it is clear that moral issues played a big part in the turn out that elected bush.

several states this election had constitutional amendments that prohobited gay marriages and so far as i know, every amendment prohibting this passed. Not only did it pass, but amendements passed anywhere from a 2 to 1 margin to a 3 to 1 margin. i don't think it takes a genius to connect the dots to figure out that the gay marriage issue helped pull the conservative voters to the booth, and also helped to elect bush.

in past elections gay marriages were not an issue. why this year? the answer is simple: the democrats made it an issue, but more importantly, the state supreme court of massachusets ruled in favor of gay marriages. this apparently shook enough people in the heartland of america to get amendments on the ballot, which in turn pulled in the conservative voters.

some will say that san francisco allowed gay marriages this past 12 months as well. however, the state nipped this in the bud and squelched the movement. the only effective gay marriage movement was in the state of massachusets. it is incredibly ironic that the john kerry's home state, mass., fueled the one issue that brought conservative voters to the polls and ultimately led to bush's victory, or kerry's defeat (whichever way you want to look at it).

to be succinct, john kerry lost the election because of the state supreme court of massachusets ruling on gay marriage, which in turn energized bush's base. kerry, stabbed in the back by his home state.


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1 posted on 11/03/2004 1:34:50 AM PST by mlocher
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To: mlocher


If the numbers bear your analysis out, I'd call it brilliant.

But that's not the only issue that brought people out. His perversion of the Catholic faith brought many out as well.

I think the moral issue would have been huge even if those amendments weren't on the ballots, though.


2 posted on 11/03/2004 1:39:43 AM PST by Technical Editor
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To: mlocher
john kerry lost the election because of the state supreme court of massachusets ruling on gay marriage

Consider the possibility that Kerry lost because he is an arrogant, vacuous, narcissistic, self-centered, cowardly, lugubrious, ignominious, traitorous, despicable, pusillanimous P.O.S.

3 posted on 11/03/2004 1:41:33 AM PST by pt17
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To: Technical Editor
"His perversion of the Catholic faith brought many out as well."

How insightful. PBA is not just a Catholic issue, its a HUMAN issue. To say you won't bring your faith in to shade this abhorrent procedure is really the sign of a first class panderer!

4 posted on 11/03/2004 2:01:59 AM PST by Dacus943
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To: mlocher
Logical. The nation saw an unelected court trying to run the country, and said "NUFF" already.
(Actually when the DU'ers see it was just a old college bet between two Skull and Bones members, they might realize they've been duped)
5 posted on 11/03/2004 2:14:31 AM PST by investigateworld ((STUCK IN THE WOODS WITH NO T.V. .... THANKS TO EVERY ONE WHO MADE TONIGHT POSSIBLE. THIS IS BETT))
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To: Technical Editor
His perversion of the Catholic faith brought many out as well.

you are correct on that one.

kerry's last minute pitch to the religious right was unsuccesful. perhaps most saw through his last miniute flip-flop in campaign strategy.

6 posted on 11/03/2004 6:12:41 AM PST by mlocher (america is a sovereign state)
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To: mlocher

I see a pattern and I like it.


7 posted on 11/03/2004 6:15:11 AM PST by BigWaveBetty (Can I get me a huntin' license here?)
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To: mlocher
No, Kerry cost Kerry the presidency.
8 posted on 11/03/2004 6:16:02 AM PST by wai-ming
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To: Dacus943
To say you won't bring your faith in to shade this abhorrent procedure is really the sign of a first class panderer!

that no doubt helped to motivate the conservative christians as well

9 posted on 11/03/2004 8:45:18 AM PST by mlocher (america is a sovereign state)
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To: Technical Editor
I think the moral issue would have been huge even if those amendments weren't on the ballots, though.

i hope you are correct because that means a very meaningful change back to the conservative side. i hope moral issues continue to be a major factor in the years to come.

10 posted on 11/03/2004 8:46:46 AM PST by mlocher (america is a sovereign state)
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To: wai-ming
No, Kerry cost Kerry the presidency

he certainly was not a bastian of morality during the election.

11 posted on 11/03/2004 8:52:36 AM PST by mlocher (america is a sovereign state)
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To: mlocher

It's really the New York Times (via its ownership of the Boston Globe) that pushed for a narrow judicial decision in the State Supreme Court. I wonder how they feel now?


12 posted on 11/03/2004 8:56:27 AM PST by Andy'smom
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I wonder how they feel now?

great observation! i am thinking that nyt has al-qaqaa on their faces right now.

13 posted on 11/03/2004 9:13:20 AM PST by mlocher (america is a sovereign state)
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To: pt17

You forgot tall...........hehehehehe


14 posted on 11/03/2004 9:15:20 AM PST by ninonitti
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To: Andy'smom

I really wonder if those exit polls played some part, too. I was following the live thread where people posed their voting experience. A number of posters reported crowds in the morning everywhere, but in the afternoon and evening, they reported conservative precincts still crowded and liberal Dem precincts empty. Overconfidence? Hoist with their own petard? Every other nasty thing they've tried this election has backfired -- why not this too?


15 posted on 11/03/2004 9:17:09 AM PST by maryz
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To: mlocher

Shift key Dude, Shift key.


16 posted on 11/03/2004 9:33:52 AM PST by benjaminjjones
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To: benjaminjjones
due to tendonitis, i find it best not to use the shift key. BUT I CAN USE THE CAP KEY...

thanks for the post.

17 posted on 11/03/2004 9:38:40 AM PST by mlocher (america is a sovereign state)
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To: ninonitti
You forgot tall

You're right, thank you. I also forgot funereal.

18 posted on 11/03/2004 9:39:04 AM PST by pt17
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To: mlocher

I agree. It was "the bridge too far."


19 posted on 11/03/2004 9:39:43 AM PST by FreedomCalls (It's a joke, people!)
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To: FreedomCalls
"the bridge too far."

you are correct. it could also have been the "bridge over the river kwai"

20 posted on 11/03/2004 9:42:18 AM PST by mlocher (america is a sovereign state)
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