Posted on 11/02/2004 9:45:48 PM PST by kralcmot
have some fun, go to DU and enjoy
It's important to remember that many of the comments are simply blustering due frustration brought on by total immersion in Democratic rhetoric for the last several months, especially since the Democratic Convention.
The people commenting are fellow Americans, and as such deserve to be greeted on the morrow without gloating or rancor.
'To err is human...to forgive divine'
That said...
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something is wrong
i mean even tucker carlson predicted a kerry sweep.
Zogby predictied a larger margin...
millions of dollars used to flush out new democratic voters...
hundreds of thousands of new voters turned out...
one in 7 voters didn't vote in 2000... most, if not all voted for kerry...
not many "new" votes came out for Bush...
all exit polls showed a larger lead...
what is wrong? why are we not sweeping Bush?
I can smell a conspiracy.
something is odd here.
It's called "computer voting"... we have been talking about this for a yr.
and the hell it would play in 2004..
The exit polls are not off this much....the turnout was huge for dems....these numbers are BS
People are stupid, afraid, and don;t like Kerry
That seems to be the winning combo...job performance doesn;t count
Don't believe it for a second. Don't.
bullshit
You will not convince me this election isn't dirty.
All the "suprises" and "irregularities" go Bush's way.
Florida - all fucked up as usual = Bush
Ohio - all fucked up and home of DIEBOLD = looking like Bush wrong
this is voter fraud
Does anyone doubt Florida going to the coke-head has something to do with dear old brother Jeb?
And Dems will probably just lay down and take it up the ass for another 4 years until we run Hillary in '08.
Gotta FIGHT this.
*All* the polls in the country were swinging his way in the last week, and the Democratic GOTV effort was amazing, especially in Ohio.
So how? How does this happen? And will someone have the balls to try and fight it?
please NO HILLARY in 08...
if Kerry loses, I'm outta here, and if hillary is the dem candidate in '08, i won't be coming back.
It's FRAUD not failure by Dems
Did you miss the long lines of people in Ohio standing out in the cold rain for hours to vote?
The long lines of people EVERYWHERE waiting for hours to vote?
Please, this delay in admitting that Kerry is the President Elect is due to media whore compliance with the VRWC,
Diebold/ES&S/other vote stealing systems, and good old reTHUGlican voter suppression tactics.
alot of dem precincts are not yet reporting
some still havent even voted!
maybe
or maybe the thought we lived in a country of intelligent free-thinkers.
maybe it was all a myth
HEY NOW... I voted absentee...and I have yet to be counted
In iowa alone there are like 400 thousand more of me...
so remember that, even in Ohio...there are a ton of people who knew this election was going to be about long lines and voted early!!
Things do seem downbeat...but I'm still holding onto hope that one way or the other, Kerry will pull through.
If Bush wins,I'm going on a rampage.
Look, it's one of three things:
either Bush/rove tinkered with this election also,
or It's too early to get the final results,
or America is too stupid to know what's best and Bush wins.
Well both sides turn out when lots vote.
GOP was after their church people and you still have to re-call lots of people who really are Dem
voted for Bush because of this war and keeping them safe.
I heard people say it my self and you could not talk to these people.
Odd way to think to me.
It happened under Bush and he started the war but every one does not look at it like I do.
the religious insanity is spreading....
The majority of Americans don't give a damn about wars or the environment or personal freedoms.
Their primary concerns are suppressing gay rights, limiting womens' rights to choose,
and making certain that their religious ideology dominates the national agenda.
That's the sad fact. The sadder fact is that we can't go back and relive the Civil War...and lose.
If the Conferacy were an independent nation, the United States might have the chance of being a great nation.
I'm very disheartened, and really want out..
Let's bring back slavery, have blacks fight our wars and then strip blacks of their right to vote..
oh wait...that's florida.
That right there gives me perfect excuse to want to leave this country
it truly pisses me off that the Right-wing radical fundies are taking over this country.
Fucknuts I tell you.
I know I said I'd leave the US if this happened...
but I don't want to leave.
Maybe we need this to happen...
We've been hammering away at Bush supporters for the last several years.
We were vindicated when the war turned into a mess. Yet they still voted for Bush.
Maybe the economic message needs to slam people for them to get it.
You're right - the religious wackos want Armageddon....
they are sick of their lives and want it to end.
They can't commit suicide, so they want to bring the rest of with them.
Sick. Sick. Sick.
the party stand only for anti-republican....
that is the problem. we need to regain our vision!
Black. Box. Voting.
From Air America's homepage:
Touching Florida: Voter Update
It's happening folks. As the votes roll in, so do the shady dealings.
Congressmen Wexler warned voters to double check the results of their touch screen voting machines.
He's been getting calls from voters claiming that when they tried to vote for Kerry, they found Bush's name selected.
The new TS machines in Florida also gave George W. Bush a several thousand vote lead
before anyone even laid a finger on them, thereby "effectively voiding" votes for John Kerry.
Also in Florida, a failed optical scan machine is forcing election officials to recount about 13,000 ballots in Volusia County.
Yes, let's ignore the obvious and pretend!
WTF?
I will never stop criticizing my government for neglecting its duties to its citizens,
for failing to secure the American people, for opposing equal rights for all,
for demolishing my civil liberties, for ruining our global reputation,
for making a mockery of our Constitution.
We can shut our mouths, as you suggest, and toil away silently as the neocon government chews us up and spits us out.
We can stand silently and watch while our liberties are eroded.
Or we can hold the government accountable.
You know what....
you can kiss my ass. I think we have a right to be angry and upset.
Something smells with these results.
did we go too negative?
I just don't get it. I really thought it was in the bag.
continue with your folly
America likes this war....we like fear...we like enimies.
Thinking that some pure peacenik would somehow open peoples eyes is fatuously idealistic.
Lets not givew up hope yet. Lets not be spineless dems.
It's not giving up..
..it's realizing that we had a chance to strike when the iron was hot,
when people were most against the war.
We had a chance to clearly define what it was to be a Democrat, to set ourselves apart.
Instead, we nominated a candidate who adopted the language of the "war on terror,"
who sat still when his opponents smeared his record, who did a poor job of presenting his image to voters.
It's not just the war: it's everything else Kerry did that was so horribly, horribly wrong.
DUH! IT IS FIXED ... WILL ANYONE LISTEN?
You are absolutely correct. How many times do I have to repeat it?
For the rest of my life?
* All exit polls had Kerry ahead in in FL and OH
* All Democrats were completely confident, based (I'm sure) on internal polls.
Kennedy said Kerry won. He was sure.
* Canadian TV (CTV) said it will be an early landslide (their word) for Kerry. They had inside information.
* Exit polls have always been correct, until they pulled FLorida away from Gore.
* In the midterm elections, the same thing happened.
Polls nationwide favored Democrats, then the GOP won every state -- and the exit polls vanished.
* Every historical predictor pointed to a Kerry victory. And everything reversed itself.
And any of you trust the Republican-owned voting machines?
Are we going to just accept this, like we did in Florida four years ago?
Something is really fucking odd
Noone will ever convince me that 300,000 Florida voters who voted against Bush
in the last election thought he did a good enough job to be re-elected.
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Dude, they use the F-Bomb a lot, don't they?
Yep !
Lorenzo Morris, 52, received a lethal injection shortly after 6 p.m. in the state's 19th execution this year. He was the 332nd person put to death in Texas since the state resumed capital punishment in 1982
WannaJumpMyScooter
Tue Nov-02-04 10:40 PM
Response to Original message
Wonder if they gave his family enough time to go vote before they murdered him?
I saw one post on DU that said they would be leaving and if Hillary won in 2008 they would not be back then either. That was the frosting on the cake.
Hope reading the types of crap the DUmmies based their hopes on ... it prevents a few suicides at DU.
this has been a lot of fun for me. and thanks for all the postings i have been too busy to respond to them. it looks solid but i am still a little worried and cannot leave it until CBS annoints Bush then i will get some sleep. I want to hear it from Dan Rather.
there are some very reasonable democrats out there. one of my favorites is andrew sullivan. he has called it for Bush and has a very nice statement on his site
http://www.andrewsullivan.com/
Going to DU after a Bush victory is like dessert after a hearty meal. Watching them freak out and accuse Bush of stealing millions of votes is hysterical.
It does tonight!
He [President Bush] needs our prayers and our support for the enormous tasks still ahead of him. He has mine. Unequivocally
- 1:12:58 AM
And I'm watching Jon Stewart. Warning: two glasses of wine down. - 10:44:41 PM
I only wish he wasn't two sheets to the wind when he said it...=)
Unhappy Democrats Need to Wait to Get Into Canada
Unhappy Democrats Need to Wait to Get Into Canada
OTTAWA (Reuters) - Disgruntled Democrats seeking a safe Canadian haven after President Bush won Tuesday's election should not pack their bags just yet.
Canadian officials made clear on Wednesday that any U.S. citizens so fed up with Bush that they want to make a fresh start up north would have to stand in line like any other would-be immigrants -- a wait that can take up to a year.
"You just can't come into Canada and say 'I'm going to stay here'. In other words, there has to be an application. There has to be a reason why the person is coming to Canada," said immigration ministry spokeswoman Maria Iadinardi.
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More from same article not posted at DU:
Government officials, real estate brokers and Democrat activists said that while some Americans might talk about a move to Canada rather than living with a new Bush administration, they did not expect a mass influx.
"It's one thing to say 'I'm leaving for Canada' and quite another to actually find a job here and wonder about where you're going to live and where the children are going to go to school," said one government official.
X How is Ireland about immigration? nt spotbird Nov-03-04 06:27 PM #1
X Remember that Ireland, although generally liberal muriel_volestrangler Nov-03-04 07:05 PM #25
X also remember ilovenicepeople Nov-03-04 08:27 PM #47
X They have severely tighten up due to ... white_rider Nov-03-04 07:17 PM #35
X Fuck That! Harrad Nov-03-04 06:28 PM #2
X Where do I get the application? pbl Nov-03-04 06:28 PM #3
X http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/immigrate/index.html Wonk Nov-03-04 06:33 PM #7
X Italy? Spain? Greece? Doesn't have to be Canada. They can all benefit from vidali Nov-03-04 06:30 PM #4
X New Zealand, Germany, Iceland, Norway, Netherlands, hell bushbash Nov-03-04 06:32 PM #6
X Norway is cool, I like that. Sequoia Nov-03-04 06:34 PM #9
X Yeah, don't forget Poland! n/t ktowntennesseedem Nov-03-04 07:13 PM #33
X HA!! Roland99 Nov-03-04 07:57 PM #37
X Hell, I don't need electricity. chelaque liberal Nov-03-04 08:01 PM #39
X Italy, my former home, is a fascist state MADem Nov-03-04 06:42 PM #18
X One low-level Maple Nov-03-04 06:32 PM #5
X thank you for that livinbella Nov-03-04 06:35 PM #11
X Thank you for your encouragement... virgdem Nov-03-04 06:36 PM #13
X Rate your chances BearFlagDemocrat Nov-03-04 06:34 PM #8
X Hmmm 77 is passing Protagoras Nov-03-04 07:13 PM #34
X Here's the correct link Roland99 Nov-03-04 08:12 PM #44
X Is Fascism A Good Enough Reason stepnw1f Nov-03-04 06:35 PM #10
X As a Canadian that offends me.... Mother Jones Nov-03-04 06:35 PM #
X Thank you amandae Nov-03-04 06:42 PM #17
X You assume honest voting Wright Patman Nov-03-04 06:50 PM #19
X Those of us considering expatriation asthmaticeog Nov-03-04 06:53 PM #21
X what is the fastest way to get Canadian citizenship? nodehopper Nov-03-04 06:55 PM #22
X I can't tell you how sad it makes me to hear you guys Mother Jones Nov-03-04 07:07 PM #28
X Give them enough rope.... moosedog Nov-03-04 08:03 PM #40
X You rock mother jones!!!! wicket Nov-03-04 08:06 PM #42
X have you seen our "news"?? leftchick Nov-03-04 08:32 PM #48
X Hey... DrWeird Nov-03-04 08:34 PM #49
X Heard this talk in 1972. Most people stayed and faught. JP in Mass Nov-03-04 06:35 PM #12
X So help me, I thought that was gonna be from The Onion KamaAina Nov-03-04 06:38 PM #14
X Work permits are easy to get in Canada Tempest Nov-03-04 06:39 PM #15
X what about retirees? mitchtv Nov-03-04 06:55 PM #23
X delete SCRUBDASHRUB Nov-03-04 06:40 PM #16
X Take some classes PATRICK Nov-03-04 06:51 PM #20
X My fiance has dual Irish/Canadian citizenship! susiq Nov-03-04 06:55 PM #24
X Unchecked aggression arKansasJHawk Nov-03-04 07:06 PM #26
X Unfortunately, our nuclear arsenal and armed forces mtnester Nov-03-04 08:15 PM #45
X Wow, that was quite impressive for a 3rd post. KAZ Nov-03-04 08:22 PM #46
X What other countries might be safe havens for us. bamacrat Nov-03-04 07:07 PM #27
X Come on Canada..... dennis4868 Nov-03-04 07:08 PM #29
X What about India? llmart Nov-03-04 07:08 PM #30
X They Only Hire Indian Nationals For The Good Paying Jobs mhr Nov-03-04 07:10 PM #31
X New Zealand, baby!!! 4 times the size of ohio with 1/3 the assholes. Our War Pigs Nov-03-04 07:12 PM #32
X Ha! Scored high enough as a skilled worker... 8-6-PDB Nov-03-04 08:01 PM #38
X I couldn't even marry in. I'm too sick camero Nov-03-04 07:49 PM #36
X You also need "proof of funds", i.e. a bank balance wysiwyg Nov-03-04 08:05 PM #41
X i wonder what made Reuters so certain that Blue_Tires Nov-03-04 08:07 PM #43
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