[jb6]

I was born in Moscow (thucking USSR) in 1955; and grew up and lived in the aforementioned country till 1981. I suppose it means that have indeed been in Russia. And as for Tolstoy etc. - they are precisely story-tellers, either over the fire or without it.

Ok, enough of this crap. Aside the fact that you loath and detest anything Russian. What is your criteria of "great" civilization? Sinfeld? J.Leno? Britny Spears? The Piss Christ? Gay Rights? Feminism? Marxism (another Western invention), Nihilism (another Western invention). What? Inform us stupid people, please.

On another thread you mentioned the Vargars (Vikings) as bringers of civilization. If that is your benchmark, then you must consider Islam at the top of the list.

[GSlob]

Start with the Magna Carta as a criterium of the great civilization. And as for your Russia - you could take it.