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To: jb6

Start with the Magna Carta as a criterium of the great civilization. And as for your Russia - you could take it.


92 posted on 11/03/2004 7:10:08 AM PST by GSlob
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To: GSlob

Well, France, Germany, etc do not have anything of the sort. Tsar Nicholar II gave Russia a constitution, of course other parts like Poland and Finland already had constitutions. But then again, a constitution trumps the Magna Carta any time. So besides a document giving some voting rights to the nobility, what are your other criteia? I'm really interested in what it is you view as "civilized".


93 posted on 11/03/2004 7:56:30 AM PST by jb6 (Truth = Christ)
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To: GSlob
Start with the Magna Carta as a criterium of the great civilization. And as for your Russia - you could take it.

Magna Carta was more than it is commonly assume today, see: The Secret History of the Magna Carta. It was indeed a great document.

See also the full text of Magna Carta

But Russia at the time of Magna Cart and in following few generations had another achievement, possibly with greater consequences for the Christian world.

Russia struggled with the greatest source instability and destruction - the unlimited steppes of Asia. From there came the Huns, Genghis Khan and numerous others. After Mongols became Muslim this new mortal threat was overcome by the Russian princes and people - first in the manly fought battles, then through slow and patient work. In the steppes and in the Siberia the churches were build, towns were established the Gospel of Christ and civilisation started to take roots.

England was in much more privilleged position - she had the heritage of civilisation from the Roman times, fully defined Christian doctrine and patterns of organisation, she was sheltered by Europe from barbarians and destruction, with easy climate and acccess to the trade routes. And much more.

England built on the achievements of others, Russia had to start from zero and has to keep watch against the forces of chaos until today. This is what gives the strenght to the Russian culture. That is why Russian music is more pleasing to the American ears on July 4th than Gershwin.

94 posted on 11/03/2004 8:25:34 AM PST by A. Pole (Pyrrhus of Epirus: "One more such victory and we are undone.")
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