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To: Paul Ross

They are not heroes, they are victims.


2 posted on 11/01/2004 1:06:59 PM PST by Old Professer (About the hearty and haughty the humble harbor a horrid hatred that hobbles the heavy heart.)
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To: Old Professer

It's not heroic to go into space for the improvement of humanity?


5 posted on 11/01/2004 1:10:15 PM PST by Pyro7480 (Sub tuum praesidium confugimus, sancta Dei Genitrix.... sed a periculis cunctis libera nos semper...)
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To: Old Professer
They are not heroes, they are victims.

So, by your logic, the firefighters who died in the Twin Towers on 9/11 are just "victims" and not heroes either, hm?

Either come out and say it or expose yourself as a hypocrite.

6 posted on 11/01/2004 1:11:15 PM PST by Prime Choice (Laura Bush is like everyone's sweetheart. Teresa Heinz-Kerry is like everyone's mother-in-law.)
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To: Old Professer
he·ro ( P ) Pronunciation Key (hîr) n. pl. he·roes

1. In mythology and legend, a man, often of divine ancestry, who is endowed with great courage and strength, celebrated for his bold exploits, and favored by the gods.
2. A person noted for feats of courage or nobility of purpose, especially one who has risked or sacrificed his or her life: soldiers and nurses who were heroes in an unpopular war.
3. A person noted for special achievement in a particular field: the heroes of medicine. See Synonyms at celebrity.

vic·tim ( P ) Pronunciation Key (vktm) n.

1. One who is harmed or killed by another: a victim of a mugging.
2. A living creature slain and offered as a sacrifice during a religious rite.
3. One who is harmed by or made to suffer from an act, circumstance, agency, or condition: victims of war.
4. A person who suffers injury, loss, or death as a result of a voluntary undertaking: You are a victim of your own scheming.
5. A person who is tricked, swindled, or taken advantage of: the victim of a cruel hoax.

They fit the definition of the former far better than the latter.

8 posted on 11/01/2004 1:13:09 PM PST by pgyanke (What part of CHRISTian do liberals not understand?)
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To: Old Professer

you are entirely right. the difference between a hero and a victim is knowing ahead of time the nature and depth of the danger. the astronauts were lied to.


9 posted on 11/01/2004 1:13:20 PM PST by dep (No, we don't have editors. We ARE editors.)
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To: Old Professer
They are not heroes, they are victims.

Victims or not, the comment you made sucks!

12 posted on 11/01/2004 1:17:45 PM PST by Cold Heat (http://ice.he.net/~freepnet/kerry/staticpages/index.php?page=20040531140357545)
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To: Old Professer

I don't see anything antithetical between being heroes and being victims. They are heroes, and if victims also, so be it. But I think they are bigger heroes than anything else.


19 posted on 11/01/2004 1:31:06 PM PST by KellyAdmirer
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To: Old Professer

Wow... there's a real positive thought to add to the discussion. I'm pretty sure this was supposed to be a motivational/inspirational thread. If it's not your cup of tea, just skip it next time.


32 posted on 11/01/2004 1:59:23 PM PST by rampage8
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To: Old Professer
They are not heroes, they are victims.

Wrong.

Many think that the Space Shuttle was some routine ride into space. It never was. Every launch and flight was a MAJOR risk where uncountable things could go wrong. It was never routine. What they did was extremely risky, they were truly hero's first, and victims second.

42 posted on 11/01/2004 5:35:46 PM PST by Joe Hadenuf (I failed anger management class, they decided to give me a passing grade anyway)
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To: Old Professer
They are not heroes, they are victims.

If there are heroes anymore, these are.

43 posted on 11/01/2004 5:40:22 PM PST by RightWhale (Destroy the dark; restore the light)
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To: Old Professer
they are victims.

No. They were pioneers venturing into a "new land". Were the people who died along the western wagon routes victims as well?

Should we still be living in caves?

50 posted on 11/02/2004 6:19:14 AM PST by RadioAstronomer
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