Who Served? (Needs FReeper de-bunking)

E-mail | Oct. 29, 2004 | Sen. Howard W. Carroll

[clyde260]

I received this e-mail from a lib friend, and they are circulating it arount the net. I picked out a couple of glaring errors, but I know you can do better.

Maybe Sen. Carroll needs some e-mails from us. I already sent mine.

Gee whiz, do they have to gutter on EVERYTHING?

[clyde260]

HOLY MACKEREL, I Didn't format it right! I'm so sorry. Oh gosh how do I fix this...

[KC_Conspirator]

This email is a farce.

[clyde260]

Dear Friends, I hope this weekend finds you in good spirits and a clear mind to know who to vote for come Tuesday. Here is a bit of good and bad news, but upon reflection no new news. DEMOCRATS

* Richard Gephardt: Air National Guard, 1965-71.

* David Bonior: Staff Sgt., Air Force 1968-72.

* Tom Daschle: 1st Lt., Air Force SAC 1969-72.

* Al Gore: enlisted Aug. 1969; sent to Vietnam Jan. 1971 as an army journalist in 20th Engineer Brigade.

* Bob Kerrey: Lt. j.g. Navy 1966-69; Medal of Honor, Vietnam.

* Daniel Inouye: Army 1943-47; Medal of Honor, WWII.

* John Kerry: Lt., Navy 1966-70; Silver Star, Bronze Star with CombatV, Purple Hearts.

* Charles Rangel: Staff Sgt., Army 1948-52; Bronze Star, Korea.

* Max Cleland: Captain, Army 1965-68; Silver Star & Bronze Star, Vietnam.

* Ted Kennedy: Army, 1951-53.

* Tom Harkin: Lt., Navy, 1962-67; Naval Reserve, 1968-74.

* Jack Reed: Army Ranger, 1971-1979; Captain, Army Reserve 1979-91.

* Fritz Hollings: Army officer in WWII; Bronze Star and seven campaign ribbons.

* Leonard Boswell: Lt. Col., Army 1956-76; Vietnam, DFCs, Bronze Stars, and Soldier's Medal.

* Pete Peterson: Air Force Captain, POW. Purple Heart, Silver Star and Legion of Merit.

* Mike Thompson: Staff sergeant, 173rd Airborne, Purple Heart.

* Bill McBride: Candidate for Fla. Governor. Marine in Vietnam; Bronze Star with Combat V.

* Gray Davis: Army Captain in Vietnam, Bronze Star.

* Pete Stark: Air Force 1955-57

* Chuck Robb: Vietnam

* Howell Heflin: Silver Star

* George McGovern: Silver Star & DFC during WWII.

* Bill Clinton: Did not serve. Student deferments. Entered draft but received #311.

* Jimmy Carter: Served seven years in the US Navy.

* Walter Mondale: Army 1951-1953

* John Glenn: WWII and Korea; six DFCs and Air Medal with 18 Clusters.

* Tom Lantos: Served in Hungarian underground in WWII. Saved by Raoul Wallenberg.

REPUBLICANS

* Dick Cheney: did not serve. Several deferments, the last by marriage.

* Dennis Hastert: did not serve.

* Tom Delay: did not serve.

* Roy Blunt: did not serve.

* Bill Frist: did not serve.

* Mitch McConnell: did not serve.

* Rick Santorum: did not serve.

* Trent Lott: did not serve.

* John Ashcroft: did not serve. Seven deferments to teach business.

* Jeb Bush: did not serve.

* Karl Rove: did not serve.

* Saxby Chambliss: did not serve. "Bad knee." The man who attacked Max Cleland's patriotism.

* Paul Wolfowitz: did not serve.

* Vin Weber: did not serve.

* Richard Perle: did not serve.

* Douglas Feith: did not serve.

* Eliot Abrams: did not serve.

* Richard Shelby: did not serve.

* Jon! Kyl: did not serve.

* Tim Hutchison: did not serve.

* Christopher Cox: did not serve.

* Newt Gingrich: did not serve.

* Donald Rumsfeld: served in Navy (1954-57) as flight instructor.

George W. Bush: failed to complete his six-year National Guard; gotassigned to Alabama so he could campaign for family friend runningfor U.S. Senate; failed to show up for required medical exam,disappeared from duty.

* Ronald Reagan: due to poor eyesight, served in a non-combat role making movies.

* B-1 Bob Dornan: Consciously enlisted after fighting was over in Korea.

* Phil Gramm: did not serve.

* John McCain: POW; Silver Star, Bronze Star, Legion of Merit, Purple Heart and Distinguished Flying Cross.

* Dana Rohrabacher: did not serve.

* John M. McHugh: did not serve.

* JC Watts: did not serve.

* Jack Kemp: did not serve. "Knee problem," although continued in NFL for 8 years.

* Dan Quayle: Journalism unit of the Indiana National Guard.

* Rudy Giuliani: did not serve.

* George Pataki: did not serve.

* Spencer Abraham: did not serve.

* John Engler: did not serve.

* Lindsey Graham: National Guard lawyer.

* Arnold Schwarzenegger: AWOL from Austrian army base.

MEDIA PUNDITS, SUPREME COURT JUSTICES, & PREACHERS

* Sean Hannity: did not serve.

* Rush Limbaugh: did not serve (4-F with a 'pilonidal cyst.')

* Bill O'Reilly: did not serve.

* Michael Savage: did not serve.

* George Will: did not serve.

* Chris Matthews: did not serve.

* Paul Gigot: did not serve.

* Bill Bennett: did not serve.

* Pat Buchanan: did not serve.

* John Wayne: did not serve.

* Bill Kristol: did not serve.

* Kenneth Starr: did not serve.

* Antonin Scalia: did not serve.

* Clarence Thomas: did not serve.

* Ralph Reed: did not serve.

* Michael Medved: did not serve.

* Charlie Daniels: did not serve.

* Ted Nugent: did not serve. (He only shoots at things that don't shoot back.)

(Please keep this information circulating

Sen. Howard W. Carroll

mailto:senhwc@hotmail.com

[DaiHuy]

Interestingly enough I posted this same article with the same request for help. LAST WEEK. The response I got was for the Admin Moderator to pull it with the following comment.

"No thanks"

I guess it isn't what you know or who you ask, it is who you know around here that keeps you from being sensored.

[clyde260]

You bet, but "they" are circulating it...

[technochick99]

The libs I work with are gleeful over this email. I would love to see any debunking.

[SwankyC]

DFC's??

[A Balrog of Morgoth]

I'm currently serving, and I've been to both Iraq wars. That said, the esteemed Senator can kiss my ass.

We're not electing a platoon commander or a fricken glorified boat coxswain, we're electing a CinC.

Most of those so-called "did not serve" Republicans played critical roles in leadership positions during the Cold War, while most of those Democrats mentioned were busy trying to fellate the Soviets.

Sort of amusing, isn't it, to see Democrats denigrating government service whilst purportedly honoring military service?

[clyde260]

Well said, and Thank You!

[Sloth]

SENATE MEMBERS with MILITARY SERVICE
(106th CONGRESS)

Daniel K. Akaka (D-Hawaii) Army Corps of Engineers 1945-47
Jeff Bingaman (D-N.M.) Army Reserve 1968-74
Richard H. Bryan (D-Nev.) Army 1959-60 2nd Lt.
Conrad Burns (R-Mont.) Marine Corps 1955-57 Cpl.
Ben Nighthorse-Campbell (R- Colo.) 1951-53 Airman 2nd Class
John H. Chafee (R-R.I.) Marine Corps 1942-45 Capt.
Marine Corps 1951-52 Capt.
Max Cleland (D-Ga.) Army 1965-68 Capt.
Thad Cochran (R-Miss.) Navy 1959-61 Lt. j.g.
Paul Coverdell (R-Ga.) Army 1962-64 Capt.
Larry E. Craig (R-Idaho) Idaho National Guard 1971-73 E-3
Tom Daschle (D-S.D.) Air Force 1969-72 1st Lt.
Christopher J. Dodd (D-Conn.) Army Reserve 1969-75
Michael B. Enzi (R-Wyo.) Air National Guard 1968-73
Slade Gorton (R-Wash.) Army 1946-47, Air Force 1953-56
Air Force Reserve 1956-81 Col.
Chuck Hagel (R-Neb.) 1967-68 Sgt.
Tom Harkin (D-Iowa) Navy 1962-67 Lt.
Naval Reserve 1968-74 Lt. Cmdr.
Jesse Helms (R-N.C.) Navy 1942-45
Ernest F. Hollings (D-S.C.) Army 1942-45 Capt.
James M. Inhofe (R-Okla.) Army 1957-58 Pfc.
James M. Jeffords (R-Vt.) Navy 1956-59
Naval Reserve 1959-90 Capt.
Tim Johnson (D-S.D.) Army 1969
Edward M. Kennedy (D-Mass.) Army 1951-53 Pfc.
Bob Kerrey (D-Neb.) Navy 1966-69 Lt. j.g.
John Kerry (D-Mass.) Navy 1966-70 Lt.
Herb Kohl (D-Wis.) Army Reserve 1958-64
Frank R. Lautenberg (D-N.J.) Army 1942-46 Cpl.
Richard G. Lugar (R-Ind.) Navy 1957-60
John McCain (R-Ariz.) Navy 1958-81 Capt.
Daniel Patrick Moynihan (D-N.Y.) Navy 1944-47, Naval Reserve 1947-66
Frank H. Murkowski (R-Alaska) Coast Guard 1955-56
Don Nickles (R-Okla.) National Guard 1970-76
Jack Reed (D-R.I.) Army 1967-79 Capt.Army Reserve 1979-91
Charles S. Robb (D-Va.) Marine Corps 1961-70 Maj.,USMC Reserve 1970-91 Lt. Col.
Pat Roberts (R-Kan.) Marine Corps 1958-62 Lt.
William V. Roth Jr. (R-Del.) Army 1943-46 Capt.
Jeff Sessions (R-Ala.) Army 1973 2nd Lt. Army Reserve 1973-86 Capt.
Robert C. Smith (R-N.H.) Navy 1965-67 Ensign
Arlen Specter (R-Pa.) Air Force 1951-53 1st Lt.
Ted Stevens (R-Alaska) Army Air Corps 1943-46 1st Lt.
Craig Thomas (R-Wyo.) Marine Corps 1955-59 Capt.
Strom Thurmond (R-S.C.) Army Reserve 1924-41, Army 1942-46 Lt. Col.Army Reserve 1947-65
John W. Warner (R-Va.) Navy 1944-46 Marine Corps 1950-52 1st Lt.



HOUSE MEMBERS with MILITARY SERVICE
(106th CONGRESS)


Bill Archer (R-Texas) Air Force 1951-53 Capt.
Spencer Bachus (R-Ala.) National Guard 1969-71
Cass Ballenger (R-N.C.) Naval Air Corps 1944-45 Aviation cadet
Bill Barrett (R-Neb.) Navy 1951-52
Herbert H. Bateman (R-Va.) Air Force 1951-53 1st Lt.
Doug Bereuter (R-Neb.) Army 1963-65 1st Lt.
Michael Bilirakis (R-Fla.) Air Force 1951-55
Tom Bliley (R-Va.) Navy 1952-55 Lt.
Sherwood Boehlert (R-N.Y.) Army 1956-58
John A. Boehner (R-Ohio) Navy 1968
David E. Bonior (D-Mich.) Air Force 1968-72 Staff Sgt.
Leonard L. Boswell (D-Iowa) Army 1956-76 Lt. Col.
Allen Boyd (D-Fla.) Army 1969-71 1st Lt.
George E. Brown Jr. (D-Calif.) Army 1942-46 2nd Lt.
Ed Bryant (R-Tenn.) Army 1970-78 Capt.
Dan Burton (R-Ind.) Army 1957-58 Army Reserve 1958-64
Steve Buyer (R-Ind.) Army Reserve 1980-84 Capt. Army 1984-87 Capt.Army Reserve 1987-present
Sonny Callahan (R-Ala.) Navy 1952-54 Seaman
William L. Clay (D-Mo.) Army 1953-55
Bob Clement (D-Tenn.) Army 1969-71 Lt.National Guard 1971-present Col.
Howard Coble (R-N.C.) Coast Guard 1952-56 Capt.Coast Guard Reserve 1960-81 Capt.
Coast Guard 1977-78 Capt.
Mac Collins (R-Ga.) National Guard 1964-70 E4
John Conyers Jr. (D-Mich.) National Guard 1948-50 Army 1950-54 Army Reserve 1954-57
John Cooksey (R-La.) Air Force 1967-69 Air National Guard 1969-72
William J. Coyne (D-Pa.) Army 1955-57 Spec. 3
Robert E. "Bud" Cramer (D-Ala.) Army 1972 2nd Lt. Army Reserve 1976-78 Capt.
Philip M. Crane (R-Ill.) Army 1954-56 Cpl.
Randy "Duke" Cunningham (R-Calif.) Navy 1967-87 Cmdr.
Thomas M. Davis III (R-Va.) Army 1971-72 2nd Lt. National Guard 1972-79
Army Reserve 1972-79 1st Lt.
Nathan Deal (R-Ga.) Army 1966-68 Capt.
Peter A. DeFazio (D-Ore.) Air Force 1967-71 Lt.
Bill Delahunt (D-Mass.) Coast Guard 1963 Coast Guard Reserve 1963-71
John D. Dingell (D-Mich.) Army 1944-46 2nd Lt.
Julian C. Dixon (D-Calif.) Army 1957-60 Sgt.
John J. "Jimmy" Duncan Jr. (R-Tenn.) Tenn. Army National Guard
Army Reserve 1970-87 Capt.
Bob Etheridge (D-N.C.) Army 1965-67 E4
Lane Evans (D-Ill.) Marine Corps 1969-71 Lance Cpl.
Terry Everett (R-Ala.) Air Force 1955-59 Airman 1st Class
Thomas W. Ewing (R-Ill.) Army 1957 Spec. 4 Army Reserve 1957-63 Spec. 4
Ernie Fletcher (R-Ky.) Air Force 1974-80
Rodney Frelinghuysen (R-N.J.) Army 1969-71 Pvt.
Martin Frost (D-Texas) Army Reserve 1966-72
Greg Ganske (R-Iowa) Army Reserve 1986-present Lt. Col.
George W. Gekas (R-Pa.) Army 1953-55 Cpl.
Richard A. Gephardt (D-Mo.) Air National Guard 1965-71
Jim Gibbons (R-Nev.) Air Force 1967-71 Col. Nev. Air National Guard 1975-95 Vice Cmdr.
Wayne T. Gilchrest (R-Md.) Marine Corps 1964-68 Sgt.
Paul E. Gillmor (R-Ohio) Air Force 1965-66 Capt.
Benjamin A. Gilman (R-N.Y.) Army 1943-45 Staff Sgt. N.Y. State Guard 1981- present Col.
Charlie Gonzalez (D-Texas) Texas Air National Guard 1969-75 Tech Sgt.
Virgil H. Goode Jr. (D-Va.) Va. National Guard 1969-75
Bill Goodling (R-Pa.) Army 1946-48 Pfc.
Porter J. Goss (R-Fla.) Army 1960-62
Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) Air Force 1982-88; 1990 Air National Guard 1989-present Maj.
Ralph M. Hall (D-Texas) Navy 1942-45 Lt.
James V. Hansen (R-Utah) Navy 1952-54
Richard "Doc" Hastings (R-Wash.) Army Reserve 1964-69 Spec. 4
Van Hilleary (R-Tenn.) Air Force 1982-84 2nd Lt.
Air Force Reserve 1984-present Maj.
Maurice D. Hinchey (D - N.Y.) Navy 1956-59 Seaman
David L. Hobson (R-Ohio) Ohio Air National Guard 1958-63
Joseph M. Hoeffel III (D-Pa.) Army Reserve 1970-76 E-4
Steve Horn (R-Calif.) Army Reserve 1954-62 Spc.
Amo Houghton (R-N.Y.) Marine Corps 1945-46 Pfc.
Duncan Hunter (R-Calif.) Army 1969-71 Lt.
Henry J. Hyde (R-Ill.) Navy 1944-46 Ensign Naval Reserve 1946-68
William J. Jefferson (D-La.) Army 1969-75 Capt.
Bill Jenkins (R-Tenn.) Army 1060-62 Lt.
Sam Johnson (R-Texas) Air Force 1951-79 Col.
Walter B. Jones, Jr. (R-N.C.) N.C. National Guard 1967-71
Paul E. Kanjorski (D-Pa.) Army 1960-61
Peter T. King (R-N.Y.) National Guard 1968-73 Spec. 5
Jerry Kleczka (D-Wis.) Air National Guard 1963-69
Joe Knollenberg (R-Mich.) Army 1955-57 Cpl.
Jim Kolbe (R-Ariz.) Navy 1967-69
Steve Kuykendall (R-Calif.) Marine Corps 1968-73 Capt.
John J. LaFalce (D-N.Y.) Army 1965-67 Capt.
Ron Lewis (R-Ky.) Navy 1972
John Linder (R-Ga.) Air Force 1967-69 Capt.
William O. Lipinski (D-Ill.) Army Reserve 1961-67
Robert L. Livingston (R-La.) Navy 1961-63 Naval Reserve 1963-67
Ken Lucas (D-Ky.) Air Force 1955-57 Maj.Air National Guard 1957-67
Edward J. Markey (D-Mass.) Army Reserve 1968-73
Matthew G. Martinez (D-Calif.) Marine Corps 1947-50 Pfc.
Frank R. Mascara (D-Pa.) Army 1946-47 Pvt.
Bill McCollum (R-Fla.) Navy 1969-72 Naval Reserve 1972-92 Cmdr.
Jim McDermott (D-Wash.) Navy Medical Corps 1968-70 Lt. Cmdr.
Jack Metcalf (R-Wash.) Army 1946-47 Pvt.
Gary Miller (R-Calif.) Army 1967-68 Pvt.
Joe Moakley (D- Mass.) Navy 1943-46
Alan B. Mollohan (D- W. Va.) Army Reserve 1970-83 Capt.
Dennis Moore (D-Kan.) Army 1970 2nd Lt.
John P. Murtha (D- Pa.) Marine Corps 1952-55 Lt.
Marine Corps 1966-67 Maj.Marine Corps Reserve 1967-90 Col.
Charlie Norwood (R-Ga.) Army 1967-69 Capt.
Solomon P. Ortiz (D-Texas) Army 1060-62 Spc.
Ron Packard (R-Calif.) Navy Dental Corps 1957-59
Bill Pascrell Jr. (D-N.J.) Army 1961 E-5 Army Reserve 1962-67 E-5
Ron Paul (R-Texas) Air Force 1963-65 Capt.Air National Guard 1965-68 Capt.
Collin C. Peterson (D-Minn.) National Guard 1963-69 Staff Sgt.
John E. Peterson (R-Pa.) Army Reserve 1958-64 Spec. 2
Joseph R. Pitts (R-Pa.) Air Force 1963-69 Capt.
John Edward Porter (R-Ill.) Army Reserve 1958-64
Jim Ramstad (R-Minn.) Army Reserve 1968-74 1st Lt.
Charles Rangel (D-N.Y.) Army 1948-52 Staff Sgt.
Ralph Regula (R-Ohio) Navy 1944-46 Seaman
Silvestre Reyes (D-Texas) Army 1966-68 Sgt.
Thomas M. Reynolds (R-N.Y.) Air National Guard Sgt.
Harold Rogers (R-Ky.) National Guard 1957-64
Bobby L. Rush (D-Ill.) Army 1963-68 Pvt.
Robert C. Scott (D-Va.) Army Reserve 1970-74 National Guard 1974-76
Jose E. Serrano (D-N.Y.) Army Medical Corps 1964-66
John Shadegg (R-Ariz.) National Guard 1969-75
Donald L. Sherwood (R-Pa.) Army 1964-66 1st Lt.
John M. Shimkus (R-Ill.) Army 1980-85 Capt.
Bud Shuster (R-Pa.) Army 1954-56
Norman Sisisky (D-Va.) Navy 1945-46 Seaman, 1st Class
Joe Skeen (R-N.M.) Navy 1945-46 Air Force Reserve 1949-52
Nick Smith (R-Mich.) Air Force 1959-61 Capt.
Vic Snyder (D-Ark.) Marine Corps 1967-69 Cpl.
Floyd D. Spence (R-S.C.) Naval Reserve 1952-88 Capt. Navy 1952-54
John M. Spratt Jr. (D-S.C.) Army 1969-71 Capt.
Pete Stark (D-Calif.) Air Force 1955-57
Cliff Stearns (R-Fla.) Air Force 1963-67 Capt.
Bob Stump (R-Ariz.) Navy 1943-46
John Tanner (D-Tenn.) Navy 1968-72 Lt.National Guard 1974-present Lt. Col.
Gene Taylor (D-Miss.) Coast Guard Reserve 1971-84 E-6
Mike Thompson (D-Calif.) Army 1968-69 Sgt.
Edolphus Towns (D-N.Y.) Army 1956-58
Jim Turner (D-Texas) Army 1978 Capt.
Wes Watkins (R-Okla.) Okla. National Guard 1960-67 2nd Lt.
Dave Weldon (R-Fla.) Army Medical Corps 1981-87 Maj. Army Reserve 1987-92
Edward Whitfield (R-Ky.) Army Reserve 1967-73 Lt.
Roger Wicker (R-Miss.) Air Force 1976-80 Capt. Air Force Reserve 1980-present Lt. Col.
Heather A. Wilson (R-N.M.) Air Force 1978-89 Capt.
Frank R. Wolf (R-Va.) Army Reserve 1962-63 Enlisted
C.W. Bill Young (R-Fla.) National Guard 1948-57
Don Young (R-Alaska) Army 1955-57

from:

http://www.fra.org/leg-center-2/106th-congress/106-cong-mil-lst.html

[A Balrog of Morgoth]

Send my reply to the idiot lib emailer.

[KittyFL]

I don't see John Edwards name!

[pnz1]

I notice that Charlie Daniels and Ted Nugent are on the list of Republicans who "did not serve" yet I don't see Brad Pitt, Leonardo DiCaprio, Ben Affleck, Sean Penn, etc. on the Democrat "did not serve"-maybe doing a military movie counts?

[dead]

it is who you know around here that keeps you from being sensored.

Bad spellers are routinely censored, to maintain the forum’s image.

[elizabetty]

Kerry failed to serve his 6 year service also. Kerry says it is because he asked the Admiral he was working for to be let out of the Navy 5 months early to run for Congress. This gets no attention. Of course, the reality is Kerry was involuntarily discharged before the end of his term of service and we will all know that for a fact within the next few months. Maybe even the day after the election.

[DennisR]

One thing you will notice is that on this list these people entered BEFORE the draft lottery. Repeat: these people entered BEFORE the draft lottery. In other words, when they "joined," military service was essentially mandatory unless you had an exemption. Kerry would have avoided service if he had not been threatened by the draft. How many other Ds would have done the same thing?

As usual, the D who compiles this list was able to skew the results - dishonest, diabolical, deceptive, and derelict.

[Howlin]

This is old as hell.......and what does this have to do with anything?

[elizabetty]

Richard B. Cheney March 21, 1989- January 20, 1993 17th Secretary of Defense

Secretary of Defense is a pretty good gig for a civilian to the Military

[GoldwaterBooster]

Guess who else did not serve in the military? Former Illinois State Senator Howard W. Carroll (D-Chicago) who signed this letter. He has been either an elected or appointed politician his entire life. He graduated from Loyola University Law School in 1967 and spent his whole live serving in either the House or Senate of the Illinois state legislature.