[Protagoras]

Could just be the true colors of the pro-civilization people.

Civilized people don't need the force of violence to get along. They aren't hooked on violence.

Civilization at the point of a gun? Nice try, but you have it precisely backwards.

The larger the amount of government force required, the smaller the civil society. The size of government is a measure of how civilized a society is, this one flunks.

[radicalamericannationalist]

You're right. If everyone is allowed to "just do it," civilization is much stronger. I mean, if you look at America today the success of that attitude is just smashing.