Posted on 11/01/2004 6:33:46 AM PST by Mia T
LIAR!
You know, somebody's analyzed the president's military aptitude tests and yours and they concluded that President Bush has a higher IQ than you do, senator.
Tom Brokaw
Kerry spokesman David Wade did not reply when asked if Mr. Kerry was other than honorably discharged before he was honorably discharged.
Kerry's Discharge Is Questioned by an Ex-JAG Officer
COPYRIGHT MIA T 2004
DID JOHN KERRY GET A LESS-THAN-HONORABLE DISCHARGE BEFORE HE GOT AN HONORABLE ONE?
(AND WHY DOESN'T KERRY SIGN FORM 180, ANYWAY?)
POURQUOI JOHN KERRY EST DANGEREUX POUR L'AMÉRIQUE
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That's great. More power. I don't know how they"ve done it because my record isn't out in the public. So I don't know where you get that from.
On behalf of the Kerry campaign, Michael Meehan and others have repeatedly insisted that all of Mr. Kerry's military records are on his Web site at johnkerry.com, except for his medical records....
BY THOMAS LIPSCOMB - Special to the Sun
November 1, 2004
URL: http://www.nysun.com/article/4040
November 1, 2004 Edition > Section: National > Printer-Friendly Version
Kerry's Discharge Is Questioned by an Ex-JAG Officer
BY THOMAS LIPSCOMB - Special to the Sun
A former officer in the Navy's Judge Advocate General Corps Reserve has built a case that Senator Kerry was other than honorably discharged from the Navy by 1975, The New York Sun has learned.
The "honorable discharge" on the Kerry Web site appears to be a Carter administration substitute for an original action expunged from Mr. Kerry's record, according to Mark Sullivan, who retired as a captain in the Navy's Judge Advocate General Corps Reserve in 2003 after 33 years of service as a judge advocate. Mr. Sullivan served in the office of the Secretary of the Navy between 1975 and 1977.
On behalf of the Kerry campaign, Michael Meehan and others have repeatedly insisted that all of Mr. Kerry's military records are on his Web site at johnkerry.com, except for his medical records.
"If that is the case," Mr. Sullivan said, "the true story isn't what was on the Web site. It's what's missing. There should have been an honorable discharge certificate issued to Kerry in 1975,if not earlier, three years after his transfer to the Standby Reserve-Inactive."
Another retired Navy Reserve officer, who served three tours in the Navy's Bureau of Personnel, points out that there should also have been a certified letter giving Mr. Kerry a choice of a reserve reaffiliation or separation and discharge. If Mr. Meehan is correct and all the documents are indeed on the Web site, the absence of any documents from 1972 to 1978 in the posted Kerry files is a glaring hole in the record.
The applicable U.S. Navy regulation, now found at MILPERSMAN 1920-210 "Types of Discharge for Officers," lists five examples of conditions required to receive an honorable discharge certificate, four required to receive a general discharge "not of such a nature as to require discharge under conditions other than honorable," and seven for "the lowest type of separation from the naval service. It is now officially in all respects equivalent to a dishonorable discharge."
Kerry spokesmen have also repeatedly said that the senator has an honorable discharge. And there is indeed a cover letter to an honorable discharge dated February 16,1978,on the Kerry Web site. It is in form and reference to regulation exactly the same as one granted Swiftboat Veterans for Truth member Robert Shirley on March 12, 1971, during a periodic "reduction in force (RIF)" by the Naval Reserve. The only significant difference between Mr. Kerry's and Mr. Shirley's is the signature information and the dates. In a RIF, officers who no longer have skills or are of an age group the Navy wishes to keep in reserve are involuntarily separated by the Navy and given their appropriate discharge. This is a normal and ongoing activity and there is no stigma attached to it.
Kerry spokesman David Wade did not reply when asked if Mr. Kerry was other than honorably discharged before he was honorably discharged.
"Mr. Meehan may well be right and all Mr. Kerry's military records are on his Web site," Mr. Sullivan said. "Unlike en listed members, officers do not receive other than honorable, or dishonorable, certificates of discharge. To the contrary, the rule is that no certificate will be awarded to an officer separated wherever the circumstances prompting separation are not deemed consonant with traditional naval concepts of honor. The absence of an honorable discharge certificate for a separated naval officer is, therefore, a harsh and severe sanction and is, in fact, the treatment given officers who are dismissed after a general court-martial."
With the only discharge document cited by Mr. Kerry issued in 1978, three years after the last date it should have been issued, the absence of a certificate from 1975 leaves only two possibilities. Either Mr. Kerry received an "other than honorable" certificate that has been removed in a review purging it from his records, or even worse, he received no certificate at all. In both cases there would have been a loss of all of Mr. Kerry's medals and the suspension of all benefits of service.
Certainly something was wrong as early as 1973 when Mr. Kerry was applying to law school.
Mr. Kerry has said, "I applied to Harvard, Boston University, and Boston College. I was extremely late. Only BC would entertain a late application."
It is hard to see why Mr. Kerry had to file an "extremely late" application since he lost the congressional race in Lowell, Mass., the first week of November 1972 and was basically doing nothing until he entered law school the following September of 1973.A member of the Harvard Law School admissions committee recalled that the real reason Mr. Kerry was not admitted was because the committee was concerned that because Mr. Kerry had received a less than honorable discharge they were not sure he could be admitted to any state bar.
The fact that Mr. Kerry had cancelled his candidacy for a Congressional seat in 1970 in favor of Father Robert Drinan cannot have hurt Mr. Kerry's admission to Boston College. The Reverend Robert Drinan's previous position was dean of the Boston College Law School.
Given this, it is likely that a legal review took place that effectively purged Mr. Kerry's Navy files and arranged for the three-year-late honorable discharge in 1978.There were two avenues during the 1977-1978 time period. This could have been under President Carter's Executive Order 11967, under which thousands received pardons and upgrades for harsh discharges or other offenses under the Selective Service Act. Or it might have merged into efforts by the military to comply with the demands of the 1975 Church Committee. Mr. Sullivan was personally involved in the 1976 and 1977 records review answering Senator Kennedy's demands to determine the scope of any counterintelligence abuses by the military.
In the Foreign Surveillance Act of 1977, legislation introduced by Mr. Kennedy to enforce the findings of the Church Committee, there is language that literally describes the behavior of Mr. Kerry. The defined behavior that could no longer be subject to surveillance without warrants includes: "Americans having contact with foreign powers in the case of Americans who were active in the protest against U.S. involvement in Vietnam. Some of them may have attended international conferences at which there were representatives of foreign powers, as defined in the bill, or may have been directly in communication with foreign governments concerning this issue."
One of Mr. Kerry's first acts of office as he entered the Senate on January 3, 1985, was making sure what was still in the Navy files. A report was returned to Mr. Kerry by a Navy JAG on January 25, 1985, and appears on the Kerry Web site. There is an enclosure listed that may have contained a list of files, according to David Myers, the JAG who prepared it, that is not on Mr. Kerry's Web site. It could have provided an index for all of Mr. Kerry's Navy files.
All officials with knowledge of what specifically happened in Mr. Kerry's case are muzzled by the Privacy Act of 1974.The act makes it a crime for federal employees to knowingly disclose personal information or records.
Only Mr. Kerry can do that. As of this writing, Mr. Kerry has failed to sign a Standard Form 180 giving the electorate and the press access to his Navy files.
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(his mother knew) POURQUOI JOHN KERRY EST DANGEREUX POUR L'AMÉRIQUE (viewing movie requires Flash Player 7, available HERE) NEW! compleatjohnkerry.blogspot.com NEW! unfitforcommand.blogspot.com johnkerryisdangerousforamerica.blogspot.com
An investigation by The Washington Times reveals that while the candidate did talk for an unspecified period to at least a few members of the panel, no such meeting, as described by Mr. Kerry on a number of occasions over the past year, ever occurred.
At the second presidential debate earlier this month, Mr. Kerry said he was more attuned to international concerns on Iraq than President Bush, citing his meeting with the entire Security Council.
"This president hasn't listened. I went to meet with the members of the Security Council in the week before we voted. I went to New York. I talked to all of them, to find out how serious they were about really holding Saddam Hussein accountable," Mr. Kerry said of the Iraqi dictator.
Speaking before the Council on Foreign Relations in New York in December 2003, Mr. Kerry explained that he understood the "real readiness" of the United Nations to "take this seriously" because he met "with the entire Security Council...."
...The revelation that Mr. Kerry never met with the entire U.N. Security Council could be problematic for the Massachusetts senator, as it clashes with one of his central foreign-policy campaign themes -- honesty.
...In recent months, Mr. Kerry has faced numerous charges of dishonesty from Vietnam veterans over his war record, and his campaign has backtracked before from previous statements about Mr. Kerry's foreign diplomacy.
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COPYRIGHT MIA T 2004
"THIS IS NOT A GOOD MAN" POURQUOI JOHN KERRY EST DANGEREUX POUR L'AMÉRIQUE (viewing movie requires Flash Player 7, available HERE)
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- election update!10.24.04
JOHN KERRY IS UNFIT~THE SERIES
- BUSH LANDSLIDE (95%) IN NORTHERN IRELAND
(WHERE THEY KNOW SOMETHING ABOUT FIGHTING TERROR)
YOO-HOO! SECURITY MOMS: George Bush will protect and defend our children
KERRY'S "OUTSOURCING" LIE + OVERWEENING OPPORTUNISM
LOWER IQ = SMARTER WAR?
(AND WHY DOESN'T KERRY SIGN FORM 180, ANYWAY?)
KERRY RED SOXED
(CURT SCHILLING ENDORSES BUSH)
KERRY IMPLOSION
HEAR BUSH RESPONSE
SEE EXPLOSIVES TIMELINE,
SEE SATELLITE PHOTO OF PRE-WAR TRUCK ACTIVITY
MISSING EXPLOSIVES, MISSING WMD, JOHN KERRY'S GLOBAL TEST + JOHN KERRY'S CHARACTER
<YAWN>
THE MAN FROM HOPE: been there, done that
REPLUMBED IN PHILLY
(HE'S BA-A-A-CK!)
KERRY-EDWARDS INTERNATIONAL CRISIS:
BAD-HAIR DAY
CAMOUFLAGE
KERRY'S PERFECT METAPHOR
JOHN KERRY'S GLOBAL TEST, "UNEQUIVOCABALLY"
PARSING TERESA
FLORIDA'S VOTING BUT WHERE'S ED KOCH?
GEORGE SOROS:
KERRY-DEMOCRAT PUPPETMASTER
NUISANCE' NUANCE: KERRY'S TERROR PROBLEM
SEVERAL SIMPLE ENDGAME SUGGESTIONS FOR PRESIDENT BUSH
DEBATE 3: JOHN KERRY OUTS JOHN KERRY
"THIS IS NOT A GOOD MAN"
YOU CAN TAKE THE BOY OUT OF AMBULANCE-CHASING
BUT YOU CAN'T TAKE AMBULANCE-CHASING OUT OF THE BOY
RAISING TAXES, YOU POOR SLOBS + TERESA'S 11.5% TAX RATE
(LAISSEZ-LES MANGER LE GÂTEAU)
THE LETHAL DANGER OF JOHN KERRY:
SPACE-TIME, TESSELLATIONS OF THE PLANET + TERRORISM
Kerry aims for 9/10, the good old days when terrorists were a "NUISANCE" and "not the focus of our lives"
Shadow War: The Untold Story of How Bush is Winning the War on Terror
DEBATE 2: Bush KOs Kerry
(The Lethal Danger of Kerry-Edwards + Old Media)
DUELFER REPORT ON IRAQ RENDERS KERRY "A COMPLACENT FOOL" OR "AN UTTER FRAUD"
WHICH DANGEROUS MAN?
YOO-HOO! SECURITY MOMS:
THE TERRORISTS ARE TARGETING YOUR KIDS!
DEBATE ONE
NO GYP SHEET
Est-ce que je peux?
préemption et l'essai global
KERRY'S "GLOBAL TEST" FOR PREEMPTION:
WHY SECURITY MOMS WILL VOTE FOR BUSH
Diane Sawyer Nails Kerry Peril
PREEMPTION + KERRY'S EX POST FACTO REASONING
WINDSURFER WATERLOO
why the surfboard--not the snowboard--is (to mix war metaphors) Kerry's Achilles' heel
Windsurfing in the Persian Gulf
John "One Position on Iraq" Kerry's 1971 Replay
YOO-HOO DAN RATHER!
KERRY'S BELATED "HONORABLE" DISCHARGE:
Is a less-than-honorable discharge and clinton "pardon" behind Kerry's refusal to sign form 180 to release ALL of his records?
RATHERGATE IS ANOTHER WATERGATE: The Nexus
CARL BERNSTEIN: RATHERGATE MAY BE ANOTHER WATERGATE
CLUELESS: O'REILLY AND PODHORETZ ON RATHERGATE
THE KERRY-RATHER-BARNES FORGERIES DECONSTRUCTED
HEAR THE FIRST VEEP DEBATE NOW! (the whole ball of wax)
CHENEY WARNS AMERICA: THIS ELECTION IS ABOUT OUR SURVIVAL
KERRY-EDWARDS TRIES TO SHUT DOWN DEBATE
KERRY'S VIETNAM FIXATION
PART 1: advice from bill
Kerry's new W offensive
YOO-HOO! UNDECIDEDS + "PERSUADABLES"
HEAR THE SPEECH JOHN KERRY DOESN'T WANT YOU TO HEAR
(WHY INFORMED, RATIONAL DEMOCRATS WILL VOTE FOR BUSH)
DECONSTRUCTING ZELL MILLER
EXPLOITING MAX CLELAND
Kerry is UNFIT #21: THUMBSUCKER SERIES
BOARDHEAD TO THE RESCUE
The Left's Fatally Flawed "Animal Farm" Mentality
(Why America Must NEVER AGAIN Elect a Democrat President)
Kerry is UNFIT #20: THUMBSUCKER SERIES
PREEMPTION-(the whole ball of wax)
CONTEMPLATING KERRY'S "GUT"
A PRESIDENT KERRY MAY BE ABHORRENT
...BUT IS IT EVEN CONSTITUTIONAL?
getting kerry's goat
john kerry lacks presidential temperament
Two Psychologists on Kerry: Dangerous on National Security
YOO-HOO! followthemoney.org. . .
OVER HERE!
"bombastic ass" is not the antidote to "boorish ass"
(or why Keith Olbermann Cannot Do Cleanup for Chris Matthews)
UNFIT #19:
JOHN KERRY'S "MORE SENSITIVE WAR ON TERROR"
THE COMPLEAT JOHN KERRY
WHY JOHN KERRY IS DANGEROUS FOR AMERICA
Kerry, NOT Bush, paralyzed by 9/11 attacks
Hear Kerry admit he could not think
THE DEMOCRATS ARE GONNA GET US KILLED (kerry, clinton + sandy berger's pants) SERlES 3
UNFIT #10: 9/10 mindset
THE DEMOCRATS ARE GONNA GET US KILLED (kerry, clinton + sandy berger's pants) SERlES 2
KERRY-DEMOCRAT CONTEMPT FOR NATIONAL SECURITY[annotated]
THE DEMOCRATS-ARE-GONNA-GET-US-KILLED (kerry, clinton + sandy berger's pants) SERlES1
dox in sox on lummox in box on fox
THE REAL "REAL DEAL"
(what Kerry's commanders and crewmates REALLY think of him--with transcripts)
Did John Kerry pick a running mate or hire a lawyer when he selected John Edwards?
THE MAN FROM HOPE: been there, done that
"Hope is on the way!" (the scoop)
THE TERRORISTS' USEFUL IDIOTS
all the usual suspects
A Vote for Kerry is a Vote for the Terrorists
ELECTION BOTTOM LINE:
TERRORIST SYMPATHIZER or TERRORIST ANNIHILATOR
UNFIT #9-JOHN KERRY: DEADLY OPPORTUNIST
SELF-CONFESSED WAR CRIMlNAL MORPHS INTO SELF-PROMOTER WAR HERO
UNFIT #6: The Deadly Kerry-Hollywood Axis
HOW CAN YOU PUT YOUR CHILDREN'S LIVES IN ITS HANDS?
UNFIT: taking the measure of a would-be commander-in-chief
#1-making the tough choices in a post-9/11 world
UNFIT: taking the measure of a would-be commander-in-chief
#2-understanding the job description
UNFIT: taking the measure of a would-be commander-in-chief
#3-sang-froid and the "nuclear" button
UNFIT: taking the measure of a would-be commander-in-chief
#4 - Kerry champions tolerance for terrorists
sanitizing evil
Kerry Cabal Censors Nick Berg Decapitation
"Loose Cannon" Kerry's AWOL/PURPLE-HEART FRAUD
pro-islamofascist-terrorist radical chic
USEFUL IDIOTS
MOORE IS LESS--THE MOVIE
The Cycle of Violence:
NOW WITH HYPERLINKED INSTRUCTION MANUAL
JOHN KERRY'S RECKLESS TET-OFFENSIVE-GAMBIT REPLAY:
the left's jihad against America is killing our troops, aiding + abetting the terrorists and imperiling all Americans
bill clinton, boy "genius," unwittingly bares all on BBC
deconstructing clinton "just because I could"
vetting missus clinton...
The Parallel Universe of Jamie Gorelick
nepotism + tokenism = a nancy pelosi
(or a hillary clinton)
Kerry's Belated Condemnation Focuses on Process
Kerry Lacks Moral Authority to Condemn Content
"CRY BUSH" + Iraqi-Prisoner "Abuse"
What are the Dems up to?
DON'T BELIEVE YOUR LYING EARS (The Perjurer Returns)
(Clinton: Claims I Turned Down Bin Laden are 'Bull')
The Mary Jo White Memo:
Documentation of clintons' and Gorelick's willful, seditious malfeasance
What is the REAL Reason for Gorelick's Wall?
giant sucking sound
KERRY MAKES DUKAKIS LOOK CONSERVATIVE, SMART + JUDICIOUS
- Q ERTY6 utter failureBUMP
- Lib Author Regrets Voting (TWICE!) for clinton
"Sickened" by clinton's Failure to Protect America from Terrorism
MUST-READ BOOK FOR DEMOCRATS:
How clintons' Failures Unleashed Global Terror
(Who in his right mind would ever want the clintons back in the Oval Office?)
The Man Who Warned America
(Why a Rapist is Not a Fit President)
UDAY: "The end is near this time I think the Americans are serious, Bush is not like Clinton."
ping
It is too bad that our great MSM were not digging into this weeks ago. Now is is to late and they don't have to sweat it. Their hero is unscathed.
Good stuff, MiaT.
Why wasn't this published weeks ago? WE've known about this for some time...Has any other agency picked this up? I'm going to be sick, sick I tell you, if tomorrow holds a fraudulent win for skerry.
If you ask me, Kerry's a lot more than 2 SD's outside the central values of America...
You forgot socialists & murderers
BTT
Bump
bttt
It seems to me that such a statement would make Jean ineligible for his past Senate stint under fraudulent representation of qualifications, and disqualify him from being on the ballot here in '04, according to Section 3 of the 14th Amendment to the Constitution. The only remedy for Qerri after such an early '70s determination by a review board with appropriate contemporaneous jurisdiction is a 2/3rds vote of Congress, which is a level not sufficiently circumvented by even a Presidential Proclamation or Executive Order carried out retroactively in 2001 (presumably having been set in motion by the Sinkmaster). Too clever by half, Jean!
HF
I'm afraid you are probably right.
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