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Employment Growth Accelerated in October: U.S. Economy Preview - 175,000
drudgereport.com ^ | October 31, 2004 | bloomberg.com

Posted on 10/31/2004 5:18:09 PM PST by crushelits

Oct. 31 (Bloomberg) -- U.S. employers probably added 175,000 workers to payrolls in October, the most in five months, while the unemployment rate held at a three-year low of 5.4 percent, the median forecast in a Bloomberg News survey of economists shows.

The Labor Department's report will be released three days after the Nov. 2 presidential election, which polls show is a toss- up. President George W. Bush says his tax cuts have helped the economy, while Democratic challenger John Kerry says they haven't boosted jobs.

http://quote.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=71000001&refer=home&sid=avn64.gOLNdI


TOPICS: Business/Economy
KEYWORDS: accelerated; busheconomy; economy; employmentgrowth; october; thebusheconomy
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1 posted on 10/31/2004 5:18:11 PM PST by crushelits
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To: crushelits
Site Meter The Bush Boom Continues...
2 posted on 10/31/2004 5:20:54 PM PST by KMC1
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To: crushelits

bttt


3 posted on 10/31/2004 5:31:47 PM PST by John W
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To: crushelits
We might have added another 200,000 jobs if President Bush's guest worker progran had been in effect.

Many American firms can't expand here because there simply aren't enough laborers available to fill the new jobs they could creat.

Two more days until the Buchanan/Tancredo anti-Bush xenophobes slither back into their holes.

4 posted on 10/31/2004 5:32:17 PM PST by bayourod (Old Media news is poll driven, not event driven, not fact driven, not newsworthy driven.)
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To: crushelits

bttt


5 posted on 10/31/2004 5:53:39 PM PST by BenLurkin (We have low inflation and and low unemployment.)
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To: crushelits

I have looked 3 times on Drudge and found nothing about new jobs, but read it earlier today on Bloomberg.


6 posted on 10/31/2004 5:54:36 PM PST by mammer
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To: crushelits
Waiting for Willie Green and the rest of the usual suspects to look for the dark lining in this silver cloud.
7 posted on 10/31/2004 6:41:56 PM PST by LowCountryJoe (It's too damned important, so hold your nose if you must!)
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To: LowCountryJoe; crushelits; KMC1; John W; bayourod; BenLurkin; mammer
Oct. 31 (Bloomberg) -- U.S. employers probably added 175,000 workers to payrolls in October, the most in five months, while the unemployment rate held at a three-year low of 5.4 percent, the median forecast in a Bloomberg News survey of economists shows.

Waiting for Willie Green and the rest of the usual suspects to look for the dark lining in this silver cloud.

OK then, here's the dark lining. First of all, the estimated 175,000 new payroll jobs is just below the average of 179,500 new payroll jobs that were created each month from Carter through Clinton. Following are the number of payroll jobs created during each presidential term since Roosevelt's final term:

           TOTAL NONFARM EMPLOYMENT (thousands)
                                                                  Annual
                                       No. of  Monthly   Annual Avg thru
      Term   Mo  Year   Count  Change  Months  Average  Average  Clinton
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Roosevelt   Jan  1941   34480    7423      48    154.6     1856     1632
Truman 1    Jan  1945   41903    2772      48     57.8      693     1616
Truman 2    Jan  1949   44675    5470      48    114.0     1368     1687
Eisenhower  Jan  1953   50145    2743      48     57.1      686     1713
Eisenhower  Jan  1957   52888     795      48     16.6      199     1807
Kennedy     Jan  1961   53683    5900      48    122.9     1475     1968
Johnson     Jan  1965   59583    9855      48    205.3     2464     2022
Nixon       Jan  1969   69438    6182      48    128.8     1546     1967
Nixon/Ford  Jan  1973   75620    5072      48    105.7     1268     2027
Carter      Jan  1977   80692   10339      48    215.4     2585     2154
Reagan 1    Jan  1981   91031    5322      48    110.9     1331     2068
Reagan 2    Jan  1985   96353   10780      48    224.6     2695     2252
G.H. Bush   Jan  1989  107133    2592      48     54.0      648     2105
Clinton 1   Jan  1993  109725   11507      48    239.7     2877     2833
Clinton 2   Jan  1997  121232   11156      48    232.4     2789     2789
G.W. Bush   Jan  2001  132388    -821      44    -18.7     -224
            Sep  2004  131567
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Total (Kennedy thru Clinton)    78705     480    164.0     1968
Total (Kennedy thru G.W. Bush)  77884     524    148.6     1784

Source: http://data.bls.gov/cgi-bin/surveymost?ce, Series CES0000000001

The above table is updated through September of 2004. If we did in fact add 175,000 new payroll jobs in October, Bush's average since January 2001 will rise from minus 18.7 thousand to minus 14.4 thousand jobs per month.

Of course, some will point to the household survey, according to which the American economy has added 1.6 million net new jobs since January 2001. Most experts suggest that the true jobs figure is likely somewhere between the figures from the payroll and household surveys. Still, even if one accepts the household survey figure, the 1.6 million new jobs in the 44 months since January 2001 comes out to 436 thousand jobs per year. As the above table shows, that is the lowest rate of job creation since Eisenhower's second term.

The household survey is also where the unemployment rate comes from. It is true that the current 5.4 percent rate is the lowest since a 5.0 percent rate in September of 2001. However, part of this drop is due to the relative shrinking of the labor force illustrated in the following graph:

CIVILIAN LABOR FORCE PARTICIPATION RATE (percent, seasonally adjusted)

The figures for this and a number of other employment statistics can be found at http://home.att.net/~rdavis2/jobs.html. If the labor force participation rate was currently at its January 2001 level of 67.2 percent, the labor force would be 150.545 million instead of 147.483 million. If those additional 3.062 million people were counted as unemployed, the unemployment rate would be 7.3 percent, not 5.4 percent. Of course, it's not clear exactly why the labor force participation rate has shrunk. Whatever the cause, however, this is part of the reason for the drop in the unemployment rate.

One other negative bit of employment data is the average number of weeks unemployed. It's currently at 19.6 weeks, down from a high of 20.3 weeks in February of this year. As the following graph shows, that is the highest level since 1950 except for the three month period from May to July of 1983.

AVERAGE NUMBER OF WEEKS UNEMPLOYED (16 years and over, seasonally adjusted)

In summary, if I were a Bush supporter, I would avoid dwelling on employment data this close to the election.

8 posted on 11/01/2004 9:46:40 AM PST by remember
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To: remember

And who do you support, other than Paul Krugman?


9 posted on 11/01/2004 9:48:51 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: remember

Nice charts. Do you have the "Misery Index"?

The real one -- not the democrat phony orc of an index but the genuine misery index?


10 posted on 11/01/2004 11:33:58 AM PST by BenLurkin (We have low inflation and and low unemployment.)
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To: remember
Post the unemployment rate! Post the household survey! Post the disposable income per capita chained in 2000 dollars! If at any point you're confused about what these things are - I'm assuming that you have heard of the unemployment rate at the very least - then contact your friends at TradeAlert.org
11 posted on 11/01/2004 1:29:43 PM PST by LowCountryJoe (It's too damned important, so hold your nose if you must!)
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To: bayourod

There is not a shred of evidence to support that claim.


12 posted on 11/01/2004 1:32:39 PM PST by KC_Conspirator (I am poster #48)
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To: 1rudeboy
And who do you support, other than Paul Krugman?

What has Paul Krugman got to do with anything? If you have any specific disagreements with any of my numbers or any alternate data that you think are relevant, post it.

13 posted on 11/02/2004 12:21:20 AM PST by remember
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To: BenLurkin
Nice charts. Do you have the "Misery Index"?

The real one -- not the democrat phony orc of an index but the genuine misery index?

No, I don't have the "Misery Index". I've studied the components separately but have never assigned enough significance to their combination to study the index. Afterall, the "genuine misery index" that you refer to is simply the unemployment rate added to the inflation rate (some people also add the short-term interest rate). This implies that a certain inflation rate causes the same amount of misery regardless of whether wages are going up or down. It also implies that one percent of unemployment causes the same misery as one percent of inflation and that these two items accurately describe all misery.

In any case, I do have graphs of the separate components. The following graph shows the unemployment rate:

and the following graph shows the inflation rate:

An interesting thing about the above graph is that it shows something of a correlation between growth in the CPI (Consumer Price Index) and growth in the M2 money supply. In addition, inflation (measured as a 10-year trailing average) peaked around 1814, 1864, 1920, 1951, and 1982. This is at the end or shortly after the war of 1812, the Civil War, the First World War, the Second World War, and the Vietnam War. Hence, the inflation under Carter may have been largely due to a war that he had nothing to do with. In addition, it raises the chance of future inflation if the cost of the Iraq War remains high. This chance of inflation may also be increased by the fact that the growth in the M2 money supply has started heading back up though inflation has not yet followed in a meaningful way, at least not according to official statistics.

14 posted on 11/02/2004 12:25:22 AM PST by remember
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To: LowCountryJoe
Post the unemployment rate! Post the household survey! Post the disposable income per capita chained in 2000 dollars! If at any point you're confused about what these things are - I'm assuming that you have heard of the unemployment rate at the very least - then contact your friends at TradeAlert.org

Hey, I'm not your posting monkey! However, I did post a graph of the unemployment rate above. In addition, I'll post the average weekly earnings in 1982 dollars below:


15 posted on 11/02/2004 12:26:42 AM PST by remember
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To: remember
Hey, I'm not your posting monkey...

Come clean and tell us whose monkey you really are then.

16 posted on 11/02/2004 3:20:04 AM PST by LowCountryJoe (It's too damned important, so hold your nose if you must!)
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To: remember

This is an amazing analysis that you've shown here with your money supply chart. Who would have ever thunk it...an increase in money supply is strongly correlated to an increase in CPI! That's genius man, you could gain some prominence by getting that published somewhere...truly a cutting edge theory.


17 posted on 11/02/2004 3:24:20 AM PST by LowCountryJoe (It's too damned important, so hold your nose if you must!)
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To: remember
I post alternate data all the time. You periodically appear and post data from a single website. (I think I recall a member here by the name of rdavis2, but a search shows no such name). You are an ardent defender of Paul Krugman. That alone allows me to question your motives. You also appear to have a "thing" against supply-side economics.

I understand perfectly that your support of Paul Krugman is irrelevant (did I mention you support Paul Krugman?) to this thread.

18 posted on 11/02/2004 5:55:48 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: remember

Thank you.


19 posted on 11/02/2004 1:36:41 PM PST by BenLurkin (We have low inflation and and low unemployment.)
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To: LowCountryJoe
Come clean and tell us whose monkey you really are then.

I'm an Independent. I would prefer to see two (or more) strong parties, each nominating highly-qualified candidates. That way, the country will prosper no matter who is elected. Hence, I'm not the monkey of any party. Whose monkey are you?

20 posted on 11/03/2004 12:35:50 AM PST by remember
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