[RetiredArmy]

AND JEWS WILL RUN OUT AND VOTE DEMOCRAT. EVEN IF THE ARABS BACK KERRY AND THE DEMS. THE JEWS WILL VOTE DEMS NO MATTER WHAT. SOMETHING LIKE 85% OF THEM. BET ON IT.

Like voting for National Socialism in Germany in the 1930s. No matter what Hitler would do for you, stick with the party. Israel gets it. US Jews do not.

[Coop]

AND JEWS WILL RUN OUT AND VOTE DEMOCRAT. EVEN IF THE ARABS BACK KERRY AND THE DEMS. THE JEWS WILL VOTE DEMS NO MATTER WHAT. SOMETHING LIKE 85% OF THEM. BET ON IT.

I'll take that bet.

[The Hound Passer]

"Israel gets it. US Jews do not."

No, I think you are missing what Heinz is complaining about. The pro-Israel Jewish vote (AKA "The Jewish Lobby') IS overwhelmingly on Bush's side. It's giving the Kerry campaign fits because it is usually in the Dem's pocket. Perhaps you missed the raucous support Bush got the last time he spoke at an AIPAC conference. He was a rock star. Compare that to how Kerry was treated. Also notice how Kerry has had to campaign in Palm Beach in the closing weeks of the campaign. Palm Beach!

So, don't lump all US Jews together. Many of us do get it and are supporting Bush.

[Ghost of Philip Marlowe]

Exactly. That was my first thought when I read the article. "The Jewish vote is the Dems for the taking, you idiot."
So what's this dolt talking about. Because Kerry can't get 100% of the Jewish vote, that powerful 15% of the non-Dem Jewish vote is preventing Kerry from winning? Give me a break.

Some people are so stupid it's frightening that they can vote.

[sinanju]

I have been reading David Horowitz' (www.frontpagemag.com) dark autobiography Radical Son. In it he explains that for jews the ancient feeling of tribal otherness even in America gained new currency after the revelations of the Holocaust and kept the liberal postwar generation still nervous about their place in society even as the last irritating ivy league quotas and country club barriers came down. Marxism/socialism/leftist politics in general offered a sense of belonging where ideally after the imagined "revolution" all men would be brothers just as Marx had said and racial, ethnic and tribal distinctions would cease to have meaning.

He paints a gloomy schizophrenic picture of jewish leftists and how they clung/cling to their illusions even as the "movement" turned on them in the wake of events like the Six-day war, etc. and how they endlessly indulged dangerous thugs like the Black Panthers and the Weathermen (self-hating, spoiled rich kids being the other radical recruiting pool) in order to cling to their illusions even after the blacks turned on them, Vietnam and Cambodia became hellholes, the Nicaraguan revolution turned sour, and so forth. The ruthless, mindless way the author shows the leftys enforcing conformity and censuring their own thoughts is alternately chilling and pathetic.

If I understand correctly, liberal jewish democrats are basically a lighter version of this. Most were attracted by dem politicians such as FDR thru JFK who, while flawed, could genuinely inspire and spoke to their higher aspirations. From what I have gleaned, it has since become a brainless tribal stimulus-response; combined with the white liberal guilt complex. Like blacks, jews are supposed to vote democrat "because." Which is of course, ironic as one has to play the Three Monkeys not to notice what is going on all around one and around the world.

So many still persist in thinking christian middle america keeps a cossack saber in it's collective closet. Doubly ironc because as cultural critic Michael Medved has pointed out: Religious jews and Evangelical christians get along just fine, thank you very much. It is the secular ACLU jews who stomp on tablets and crush creches and fell threatened by the words "under God" even as (figuratively speaking) the islamists are herding them into the cattle cars and the leftists call Israel a "sh***y little country and indulge muslims and let them run riot on campuses. As best I can tell "neoconservative" has no meaningful definition unless it's being used as a conspiratorial code word for jewish conservative.

Master Heinz' Freudian little slip will undoubtedly be forgiven by the true believers (priviliges of nobility, don't you know) but I like to think that more and more will simply see the facts as they are and just maybe vote accordingly.