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I am not sure why the GOP failed to use the Gay marriage this issue in Northeastern Ohio more forcefully. Kerry signs are everywhere and Bush is being hammered relentlessly for "exporting jobs." No defense is ever offered. The Bush camp is running on the security issue here and it is not playing to well. Folks here have been convinced that we are going through another Great Depression and it is Bush's fault. They have not been convinced that Iraq was an immediate threat to their personal security.

On a positive note, the Bush camp has been sending out some superb direct mail pieces on the cultural issues. If people are reading their direct mail, Bush may be able to eke out Ohio. If they are throwing it in the trash while being mezmerized by not stop "Bush exported jobs" TV ads, Bush will lose Northeastern Ohio by over 200,000 votes, and Kerry will eke out Ohio.

1 posted on 10/31/2004 5:53:57 AM PST by Diago
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This arrogant moron scolds the Vatican? If Christ himself appeared to Kerry, Kerry would be taking him to task...


2 posted on 10/31/2004 5:55:43 AM PST by milford421
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The Church has every right to speak out on any moral issue she chooses. Kerry is simply incoherent with his position that he can allow his faith to affect his position in some areas but not others (like the protection of human life). If he truly believed what the Church teaches, he would act on those in his public life, and if that doesn't get him elected, then so be it. Better not to compromise one's soul for the sake of public office.


3 posted on 10/31/2004 5:57:17 AM PST by Unam Sanctam
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"I believe in the church and I care about it enormously,"

WHAT exactly does he believe and care about? He is against EVERYTHING the Catholic Church teaches because it interferes with his politics and lifestyle.
4 posted on 10/31/2004 5:57:26 AM PST by NewCenturions
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I will sum it up in layman's terms about kerry. Kerry is a mofo liar, who is probably a closet fag himself. This lifestyle seems to be en vouge for the democratic party and their candidates. Words of truth to skeeery and fellow kommies, "President Bush will bury them on Nov 2, 2004." It's a great day to be alive and a American. Bush/Cheney 2004


5 posted on 10/31/2004 5:58:48 AM PST by No Surrender No Retreat
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It's important not to have the Church instructing politicians? What the he!! else does the Church do but instruct? And to whom is it important? JFnK so he can be the Altar Boy who supports partial birth abortion.


6 posted on 10/31/2004 5:58:59 AM PST by Dilbert56
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"But I think that it's important to not have the church instructing politicians. That is an inappropriate crossing of the line in America."


then why was he stumping in all those churches? flip, flop


7 posted on 10/31/2004 5:59:01 AM PST by socialismisinsidious ("A government that is big enough to give you all you want is big enough to take it all away.")
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"I believe in the church and I care about it enormously

Kerry is the Churchurian candidate.

8 posted on 10/31/2004 5:59:30 AM PST by syriacus (Nuance? 'Tis the gift to be simple..to be free..to come down where we ought to be.)
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From: "Fr. Peter West"

I don't know if you supplied the scary quotes, but just FYI, Fr Peter West is his actual name. He's a priest from the Newark, NJ, Archdiocese who is assigned full-time to Priests for Life in Staten Island, NY.
9 posted on 10/31/2004 6:01:22 AM PST by Mike Fieschko (I'm not part of the problem. I'm a Republican.)
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Kerry Scolds Vatican

As he would scold any institution or person who has principles and sticks to them.

Kerry's campaign must have been ruffled because GW picks a stand (the right one) on an issue and sticks to it. Kerry is just getting it hillariously backwards, picking a wrong stand and sticking to it.

10 posted on 10/31/2004 6:02:11 AM PST by LurkedLongEnough (Bush 2004 in an F'n landslide.)
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HOMOSEXUALITY IS A CHOICE. IF YOU BELEIVE OTHERWISE, THEN SLEEPING WITH LITTLE CHILDREN IS NOT A CHOICE EITHER.

KERRY NEEDS TO GET OVER HIS POLITICALLY CORRECT BRAINWASHING.

TO ACCEPT KERRY'S VIEW THEN GOD AND NATURE MADE A MISTAKE. NATURE REQUIRES REPRODUCTION FOR SURVIVAL.

ONLY THE STRONG SURVIVE IN NATURE.

SO GAYS WOULD DIE OUT FOR FAILURE TO REPRODUCE.

I WILL ACCEPT KERRY'S AND LIBERAL'S PREMISE IT IS IN GENETIC WHEN:

THEY LET US TEACH IN SCHOOL THAT HOMSEXUALITY IS A FREAK OF NATURE.


11 posted on 10/31/2004 6:02:12 AM PST by upyours53
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"But I think that it's important to not have the church instructing politicians. That is an inappropriate crossing of the line in America."

Since when?

American churches have been on the front lines of politics since this nation was founded, and despite the IRS they still are.

Kerry, like all liberals, doesn't like facts to get in his way.

15 posted on 10/31/2004 6:05:13 AM PST by Noachian (A Democrat, by definition, is a Socialist.)
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not a smart thing to do the Sunday before election day, to be scolding the Vatican with millions of Catholic votes watching and at stake!


16 posted on 10/31/2004 6:05:35 AM PST by mdmathis6 (The Democrats must be defeated in 2004)
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Kerry is the type of Catholic that Pope John Paul II warned about and scolded in the 80's that believes in a Left-wing/Liberation Theology.


17 posted on 10/31/2004 6:05:53 AM PST by DoctorMichael (The Fourth Estate is a Fifth Column!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
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"I believe in the church and I care about it enormously," said the Massachusetts senator. "But I think that it's important to not have the church instructing politicians. That is an inappropriate crossing of the line in America."

That's hilarious. As if John Kerry has a clue about what is appropriate. Why is it not appropriate for any group to speak out on moral issues? John Kerry takes advice from Communists and Socialists from all around the world, and even when there is an overt attempt by them to sway the election, Kerry says nothing. Kerry is a hypocrite, he's an actor, he's a fraud. Kerry is not religious. If he was he would not be able to justify the murder of a baby that is already 80% delivered. He would be honest and admit that that procedure called "partial birth abortion" has nothing to do with saving the life of a mother. It just happens to be the cleanest way to kill the baby without worry of leaving parts behind. John Kerry is a fraud. I invite John Kerry to come off of the stage, take off the mask, and show the real self.

18 posted on 10/31/2004 6:06:05 AM PST by discipler
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Kerry really must think he is the second incarnation of Jesus Christ. To tell the church not to instruct politicians is correct. But Captain Oblivious misses the point, the Vatican is instructing Catholics who are politicians what the church requires of Catholics. Kerry can parse the instructions from the Vatican any way he wants, but the Vatican is saying you can't support gay marriage and gay adoption rights and be a good Catholic. Please tell me if I am wrong in understanding the Vatican.
19 posted on 10/31/2004 6:06:07 AM PST by MKM1960
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Clearly, Kerry's comments are an elitist attack on believers of all denominations.

Kerry's comments are loaded with meaning for the future of America. His ill-conceived remarks are an unspoken message to believers that Kerry will strengthen secularists power over believers.

Let's not forget Kerry praised foul-mouthed Whoppi Goldberg and went to Hollywood for votes and donations. It's clear Kerry, Hollyweirdos and Dumbocrats are in league against believers, and stand for everything Christians abhor: They worship abortion, the homosexual agenda, and the stripping away of every Christian symbol in America.

Kerry is pandering to Hollyeird secularists. In return, Kerry assures religious-hating Hollywood that a Kerry presidency will strengthen Hollywood's chokehold on American culture.

Candidates igonore Christians concerns at their peril. Kerry's comments and his positions on social issues must reach every Christian pastor, church, and group in America. These are the things Christian voters should talk about:

(1) Kerry's comments have effectively disqualified him from holding the highest office in Christian America.

(2) Transparently anti-religious candidates do not deserve Christian votes.

(3) Candidates carrying Bibles and going to church (the Clintons) but who vote against everything Christians believe in will not fool Christians.

(4) Protecting the unborn, the sacredness of marriage, and restoring Christian symbols in American culture are very important matters believers want addressed.

Kerry kneels in obeisance to the small cadre of Hollywarped Christian haters who despise everything Christians stand for.

The future of America depends on putting into office the candidate who supports a Christian-based culture.

22 posted on 10/31/2004 6:08:00 AM PST by Liz (The man who establishes the reputation of rising at dawn, can sleep til noon.)
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Kerrry is a PHONY Catholic, just as he is a PHONY patriot.

"Wake Up America" is right.


23 posted on 10/31/2004 6:11:11 AM PST by BenLurkin (We have low inflation and and low unemployment.)
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Did Kerry preface his remarks to the Vatican with "Do you know who I am?"


25 posted on 10/31/2004 6:12:14 AM PST by Semper Paratus (Michael)
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Isn't kerry crossing the line in the wrong direction? I'm thinking of what President Reagan said: "I can endorse you, but you can't endorse me," to Christian Conservatives in Dallas in 1980. Kerry can claim to be a Catholic or not, but he can't ask the Church to be silent in its convictions. The best he can do in this situation is remain silent.


26 posted on 10/31/2004 6:13:42 AM PST by risk
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Just as any person or group: blacks, Latinos, women, among many others, any church has the right to speak out. Why would being religious preclude the right to free speech? Do you see Kerry saying that blacks cannot speak out on campaign issues? Or women? Latinos? Union members?

The hypocrisy here is astounding! But that is what I have come to expect from Democrats.


28 posted on 10/31/2004 6:20:43 AM PST by ArmedNReady (George Bush has wood for the democrats.)
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