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"the state-by-state results: In Colorado, Bush led 50-45 percent; Florida, Kerry 49-47 percent; Iowa, Kerry 47-46 percent; Michigan, Kerry 48-47 percent; Minnesota, Kerry 49-46 percent; New Mexico, Bush 52-43 percent; Nevada, Bush 50-46 percent; Ohio, Bush 49-44 percent; Pennsylvania, Kerry 49-46; and Wisconsin, Kerry 52-44 percent."

Good grief, the sauce is burning again. Please, some of these states are moving 7 points a day, in OPPOSITE directions!

1 posted on 10/30/2004 3:45:50 PM PDT by okstate
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Who do they poll? They NEVER call ME!~


35 posted on 10/30/2004 4:13:18 PM PDT by buffyt (~Sure~ Kerry is smooth, a SMOOTH LIAR, but so is the underbelly of a poisonous snake!~)
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Perhaps we should be publicizing every poll that shows Kerry ahead. It will energize Bush voters.


37 posted on 10/30/2004 4:15:06 PM PDT by wai-ming
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Yeah, and ARG has it a tie.

Only thing: ARG is biased +5 to Kerry, so the real results are Bush +5.

42 posted on 10/30/2004 4:32:50 PM PDT by pabianice
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Sure. Kerry by one. Take another friggin' poll six hours from now, and Bush'll be up by two. Kerry will be up by one at dinnertime tomorrow. Bush will be back up by three on Monday morning.

All of these pollsters can take their polls and shove them where the air is rare.


45 posted on 10/30/2004 5:20:39 PM PDT by Viking2002 (Taglines? Vikings don't need no steenkin' taglines..............)
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Alternate title for the post above:

"Ayrabs for Kerry Predict a Kerry Win!"
47 posted on 10/30/2004 6:02:27 PM PDT by familyop (Receive, adhere, listen, dissolve, entice and launch.)
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I would like Zogby to explain how there was an 11 point swing in Colorado in less than a week.


48 posted on 10/30/2004 6:06:12 PM PDT by Troublemaker
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Good grief, the sauce is burning again. Please, some of these states are moving 7 points a day, in OPPOSITE directions!

Zogby is the only pollster that includes democrat fraud as part of the equation (the special sauce :).

49 posted on 10/30/2004 6:07:12 PM PDT by ScreamingFist (Peace through Ignorance)
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Posted elsewhere as its won thread, but relevant here:

BREATHE DEEP: 2000 POLLS WERE RIGHT ON BUSH, JUST WRONG ON NADER
It's good that Republican supporters stay a little nervous before election day, so that we are motivated to do what we can to help our guys win. But I'm sensing a level of anxiety among some Republicans that is counter-productive, so I'm sharing this with y'all:

Bush is ahead in the polls. This is good news. But many Republicans are fearful that he was also ahead in the polls in 2000, and lost the popular vote. Actually, take comfort: The polls in 2000 were VERY accurate about Bush's level of support. What they could not measure, although some suspected, was that Nader's liberals supporters would abandon ship at the last moment for Gore.

Take Gallup for instance. Their final poll was actually amzingly accurate measuring George Bush. They came within 1/10th of 1 percent. But Gallup figured Nader would garner about 4%. That's the norm for all pollsters: Nader would get 4%. Some had 3% (NBC, ABC); others had as high as 5%. Nader wound up with only 1.4 percent, losing 2.6%, or 2/3rds of his total, to Gore.

Zogby has gained a lot of accolade for correctly calling that Gore would win or tie against Bush in 2000, but he actually was about the worst at measuring Nader and Bush. Whereas the end result had Nader plus Gore beating Bush by less than 2% -- a result which Gallup nailed -- Zogby had Nader plus Gore beating Bush by SEVEN percent, way outside the margin or error. (Only Rasmussen, which had Bush beating Gore plus Nader by 5, was as bad.)

In the end, according to a Gallup post-election survey (which, admittedly, raises credibility issues on the part of the respondents) nearly half of the Nader voters were conservative (or Bush-leading.)

In this years' polls, Naders totals have been around one percent. In many polls, Bush does BETTER when Nader isn't an option. So there seems to be little danger of a massive defection of Nader voters for Gore at the very end.

So before anyone panics, keep this in mind: In 2000, Gallup correctly predicted that Gore and Nader would receive 50% of the vote to Bush's 48%. In 2004, Gallup (so far) has Bush leading by 5 percent. That amount may shrink with the release of today's poll, but I would very definitely be surprised if the lead disappeared.

Also, please note: There is a false notion that an "October Surprise" relevation that Bush had been arrested for DUI kept many moralizing conservatives home. There is fear of another attempted October Surprise. The truth is that although some conservatives apparently sat out 2000, this was apparently over earlier accusations of drinking and drugging. Tracking polls did not show a last-minute collaps in Bush support, except for Zogby. Voters don't make up their mind based on journalistic hit-pieces revealed the weekend before an election.


50 posted on 10/30/2004 6:07:37 PM PDT by dangus
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I think the data's wrong, I think bush will get wisconsin, minnesota, iowa, florida. I'm not sure about ohio I'll have to see tomorrow's and monday's polls.


51 posted on 10/30/2004 6:10:27 PM PDT by Patriot814
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The Cocoon is still fully in effect. Expect most of the current polls to be as accurate as they were in 2002(8-11pts to low). 54% Bush


53 posted on 10/30/2004 8:17:42 PM PDT by Eagle74 (Kill the Alligators quickly, Keep your Eye on the Mission, "Drain the Swamp".)
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the sauce is burning again.

Please! You JUST DON'T GET IT!!!!!

Kerry is up by 10 billion percent. Every state, except TX will vote overwhelmingly for Kerry. France will immediately do what a new President Kerry wants done. All will be right with the liberal world.

Or, one could wise up. Even if the polls seem to go your way, that doesn't change this fact:

POLLS ARE NOT PREDICTIVE

What matters is who votes, where they vote, and for who they vote.

54 posted on 10/30/2004 11:07:22 PM PDT by sevry
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