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Bush, Kerry Spar Over Bin Laden Video (Kerry calls 9/11 a "raid")
AP ^ | Oct 29 | MARY DALRYMPLE and TERENCE HUNT

Posted on 10/30/2004 11:56:51 AM PDT by ellery

WEST PALM BEACH, Fla. (AP) - John Kerry criticized President Bush on Friday for failing to capture Osama bin Laden as a new videotape of the terrorist leader surfaced just before the election. Bush accused the Democrat of "shameful" second-guessing in the face of threats by America's deadly foe.

The broadcast of the bin Laden tape jolted the campaign's closing days, accentuating the terrorism theme with a reminder of the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks, and Kerry revived his contention that Bush missed an opportunity to capture or kill bin Laden during the Afghan war.

"I believe I can run a more effective war on terror than George Bush," Kerry asserted.

Bush told an Ohio rally: "My opponent continues to say things he knows are not true." He said, "It's especially shameful in light of the new tape from America's enemy."

Bush and Kerry both made hurried TV appearances after the tape emerged.

"Let me make this very clear," Bush said in Toledo, Ohio, standing next to Air Force One. "Americans will not be intimidated or influenced by an enemy of our country. I'm sure Senator Kerry agrees with this."

Kerry, too, said, "My reaction is that all of us ... are completely united." But he criticized Bush for not capturing bin Laden earlier, and he added pointedly, "I believe I can run a more effective war on terror than George Bush."

Kerry has asserted throughout the campaign that U.S. forces could have run down bin Laden in the Tora Bora mountains in late 2001 if they had gone after him on the ground, and he has blamed Bush for the decision to let Afghan forces lead that chase.

"He didn't choose to use American forces to hunt down Osama bin Laden," Kerry said in an interview with WISN in Milwaukee. "He outsourced the job."

Bush responded, at a rally in Columbus, Ohio: "It's the worst kind of Monday-morning quarterbacking," and he quoted his Afghan war commander, the now-retired Gen. Tommy Franks, as saying intelligence reports at the time were unclear about bin Laden's whereabouts.

Kerry's account "does not square with reality," Bush said.

It was unclear what if any impact bin Laden hoped to have on the U.S. election. While Bush vowed four years ago to get bin Laden "dead or alive," he now rarely mentions the terrorist leader, speaking mostly about deposed Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein and Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, blamed for beheadings and other violence in Iraq.

On the videotape, aired by the Arab television station Al-Jazeera, bin Laden addresses Americans: "Your security is not in the hands of Kerry or Bush or al-Qaida. Your security is in your own hands."

Bush said intelligence officials continued to analyze the tape. The administration said it believed the tape was authentic and had been made recently.

The president said, "We are at war with these terrorists and I am confident that we will prevail."

"As Americans, we are absolutely united in our determination to hunt down and destroy Osama bin Laden and the terrorists," Kerry said in Florida, standing next to his campaign plane. "They are barbarians, and I will stop at absolutely nothing to hunt down, capture or kill the terrorists wherever they are, whatever it takes, period.

But he went on, in the radio interview, to question Bush's judgment in the Tora Bora chase and to say he would do a better job keeping the United States safe.

"Democrat, Republican, there's no such thing," Kerry said. "There's just America and we are all united in hunting down and capturing or killing those who conducted that raid and we always knew that that was Osama bin Laden."

"My policy is there's no such thing as negotiation with terrorists," the Democratic candidate said. "And terrorists, terrorism are going to be hunted down and killed, we are united on that."

"I am absolutely confident I have the ability to make America safer," he said.

Americans are divided on whether bin Laden is likely to be captured - ever. Four in 10 say no. People are also split on whether it is essential to capture him to successfully conclude the war on terrorism.

Bin Laden's remarks quickly overshadowed the scripted campaign events of the day for both the president and his Democratic rival, injecting new uncertainty into a race already difficult to predict.

With Bush and his wife Laura behind him on the stage in Ohio, California Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger told the spirited rally that the president was is "defending this country with all his heart and soul."

"America is back," he said. "America's back from the attack on our homeland, we are back from the attack on our economy, and we are back from the attack on our own way of life."

Increasingly, both sides have turned their attention to mobilizing for Election Day, hoping that intense voter registration drives would swell Tuesday's turnout to record levels. In Ohio, Republicans lost a court appeal to block tens of thousands of voter registrations.

Candidates for 34 Senate seats and all 435 House seats campaigned through the final few days of their races, as well. Republicans are favored to retain their majority in the House. Aides to Senate Democratic Leader Tom Daschle in South Dakota said they had identified all of the estimated 10,000 undecided voters in his state by name, underscoring the closeness of his campaign for re-election.


TOPICS: Breaking News; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Government; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: kerry; napalminthemorning; obltape; wot
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To: cgk

You nailed it and thanks.


41 posted on 10/30/2004 12:44:14 PM PDT by sarasota
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To: AM2000
Not a straw in sight around here. You are arguing for the sake of arguing. It was dishonest and deceitful for JFK to refer to it as a raid. He is trying to downplay the emotional impact. You argue about the literal meaning of a word(IS) and everybody else seems to be way past that. You having a bad day or is there a nefarious reason for your position?
42 posted on 10/30/2004 12:44:19 PM PDT by crazyhorse691 (I volunteer to instruct JFK on the meaning of a purple heart!!)
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To: AM2000
1 a : a hostile or predatory incursion b : a surprise attack by a small force

Where's the mass murder in this description?

43 posted on 10/30/2004 12:45:20 PM PDT by GraceofGod
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To: AM2000

The word "raid" minimizes the terrorist attack.


44 posted on 10/30/2004 12:45:57 PM PDT by sarasota
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To: crazyhorse691

Nefarious reason. Satanic extraterrestrials probed me this morning and installed a mind-altering chip in my admittedly chimpanzee-sized brain.

You got anything else to say? If not, please feel free to go back to looking silly by this petulant silliness over the use of a word you don't really understand.


45 posted on 10/30/2004 12:47:37 PM PDT by AM2000
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To: Ludicrous
Yep. In the '70s, while our economy was completely tanking, Jimmy Carter told us that outrageous taxes, interest rates, inflation, and unemployment were the face of the future and we would just have to get used to it.

With Kerry as president, he'll tell us that terrorist attacks here and abroad are just how things are and we better get used to it.

In Kerry's world, the way to stop terrorist attacks is to shut up and do nothing as the muslim world overruns us. Europe is showing us the way and he completely agrees.

46 posted on 10/30/2004 12:48:39 PM PDT by Excuse_My_Bellicosity (Gun-control is leftist mind-control.)
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To: graceofgod

The Navy calls the attack on Pearl Harbor a "raid" as well. That attack also involved mass murder of Navy personnel, among others. It is an accepted use of the word.


47 posted on 10/30/2004 12:48:40 PM PDT by AM2000
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To: sarasota

That's obviously a subjective judgement, and I respect your right to make it. However, the word 'raid' is accurate.


48 posted on 10/30/2004 12:49:30 PM PDT by AM2000
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To: DaveMSmith
I'd give it a pass.. Pearl Harbor was/is referred to as an 'air raid'

The military was the target at Pearl Harbor.

49 posted on 10/30/2004 12:51:07 PM PDT by GraceofGod
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To: jwalburg

"Interesting, too, that he has to say, "we always knew it was Bin Laden."

... and I wonder just how he " always knew it was Bin Laden." ???

Since he didn't/dosen't believe the intelligence reports he did/didn't get - just how did he "always know" ?


50 posted on 10/30/2004 12:53:42 PM PDT by RS (Just because they are out to get him doesn't mean he's not guilty)
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To: AM2000

Maybe I'm wrong, or maybe since this kind of attack (9/11)is so new that no old words seem to fit.


51 posted on 10/30/2004 12:54:11 PM PDT by GraceofGod
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To: ellery
Not only did we have U.S. Special Forces with the Afghan troops at Tora Bora but we also had GERALDO RIVERA there bravely ducking and dodging sniper fire! What does Kerry want?
52 posted on 10/30/2004 12:54:37 PM PDT by Smoote
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To: graceofgod

Actually, I think this kind of attack (9/11) is very old and had died out for a few hundred years. It's reminiscent of medieval wars where an army suddenly attacked a defenseless village, murdered all the males, raped all the women and took the children with them as their slaves right before they burnt the whole darn thing down.

It's a very old style of warfare.. it harks back to more barbaric times.


53 posted on 10/30/2004 1:00:09 PM PDT by AM2000
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To: graceofgod
The military was the target at Pearl Harbor.

During WW II and the Cold War, attacks by air on civilians were known as air raids. There were air raid shelters, sirens and drills.

It's not a gaffe

54 posted on 10/30/2004 1:00:40 PM PDT by DaveMSmith (I'm not so sure it's credible to quote leading news organizations about --oh,nevermind.-GWB)
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To: AM2000
Technically speaking, Kerry is not correct. According to FM 7-8, the Light Infantry Platoon and Squad, "a raid is a combat operation to attack a position or installation followed by a planned withdrawal." The 9-11 attackers didn't have a withdrawal plan.

< /nitpick> :)

55 posted on 10/30/2004 1:01:22 PM PDT by Terabitten (Kapu'a'a or Kapu'a'a'a?)
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To: Tragically Single

Their withdrawal plan was death :=D


56 posted on 10/30/2004 1:02:27 PM PDT by AM2000
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To: AM2000
You got anything else to say? If not, please feel free to go back to looking silly by this petulant silliness over the use of a word you don't really understand.
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Poor form old boy. Ya don"t score points by claiming you posses the mystical power to divine the truth of a word. Kerry is wrong trying to remove the emotional impact of the Sept. 11 attacks by using a monosyllable word. We are talking about the actual use of a word in communication, not the sterile literal dictionary meaning.
57 posted on 10/30/2004 1:03:58 PM PDT by crazyhorse691 (I volunteer to instruct JFK on the meaning of a purple heart!!)
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To: AM2000

LOL! So much for living to fight another day, huh? :)


58 posted on 10/30/2004 1:04:51 PM PDT by Terabitten (Live as a bastion of freedom and democracy in the midst of the heart of darkness.)
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To: ellery

People;

Forget the symantecs and nuiance of the response to the Bin Laden tape. Concentrate on the facts of what the tape represents....

Bin Laden has come out in support of sKerry for President of the United States. He is not afraid of sKerry.
He is afraid of Bush.
If he had capabilty to mount an offensive against the US he would have done that; not create a video. That is what he did in Spain and to a lesser extent with Australia.
The tape needs the tag line from sKerry "This is John F'n SKerry and I approve this message".


59 posted on 10/30/2004 1:04:51 PM PDT by PullingToTheRight
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To: ellery

"I believe I can run a more effective war on terror than George Bush," Kerry asserted."

Your a TRAITOR sKerry. Take a long walk on a short pier.


60 posted on 10/30/2004 1:06:18 PM PDT by Gucho
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