Posted on 10/29/2004 12:19:03 PM PDT by Fatalis
I'm not sure I follow. Here's the Powerline post. The word "Senator" isn't on that page at all.
The original story has nothing to do with Warner. It is Middendorf who is the Sec of Navy they are talking about:
http://conservativevoice.blogspot.com/
Thursday, October 28, 2004
John Kerry's Dishonorable Discharge
Through a very reliable source, I received a copy of the following e-mail to Sean Hannity asking his help in exposing the truth about John Kerry's discharge papers from the US Navy. The author is a retired former Navy lawyer and he references the former personal lawyer to then Secretary of the Navy J. William Middendorf.
If these two gentlemen can shed light on the truth of John Kerry's record, then the American people have a right to know.
Subject: Fw: THE JIMMY CARTER LEGACY CONTINUES
Sean,
I was on active duty as a U.S. Navy lawyer when all of this was going on some 25 to 30 years ago, and so was Mark F. Sullivan, who at all relevant times was the personal lawyer to J. William Middendorf, then the Secretary of the Navy. We remember.
We are trying to break this absolutely true story nationwide, i.e., Fox News, C Span, and hopefully all the major networks. We are positive that John Kerry was one of those dishonorably dismissed from the Navy for collaborating with the Viet Cong, after he was released from active duty but still in the Navy, and for a totally unauthorized trip to Hanoi. He later got an "honorable" separation in 1978, some 12 years after joining the Navy, under President Carter's "Amnesty Program" for draft dodgers, deserters, and other malcontents who fled to Canada and Holland, among other places, to avoid military service to our country.
This is why he has refused, and continues to refuse, to release all of his Navy records: they reflect that he was Dishonorably Dismissed from the United States Naval Service. If they do not (which they do), he would have released them to the public. Again, he has not done so, because he well knows that the truth would kill his challenge to President Bush.
Sincerely,
DONALD L. NELSON
CAPT, JAGC, USNR
(Ret.)
Let's hope this story continues to develop
Pirie would have been the one to see the new request for a discharge. He was first elevated by Carter. Career navy guy, but probably a Democrat. Very quiet, nothing on Google about him supporting anybody.
Ah! You are right. My apologies. I assumed it was Warner who Powerline was speaking of when they mentioned a former Secretary of the Navy.
Nixon was up to speed on Kerry.
This kind of thing, FR and elsewhere, takes up hundreds of posting lines.
Former Sec. of Navy have NAMES. There weren't many of them.
ALERT:
Lipscomb promptly responded to my e-mail question about Navy Chief's claim:
"I expect to post what I know Monday.
I do NOT know the information imputed by the latest blogostorm at the
present time. I only wish I did!
Keep killing trees, and keep your sense of humour!
Best
Thomas H. Lipscomb"
In other words, while I DO NOT believe Navy Chief is lying.....he has been extremely reliable....as of yet, it appears Chief has not passed on the word to Lipscomb, perhaps because he is working other sources right now.
BTW, I will e-mail my full headers to anyone who questions whether this e-mail is real.
Again, I am not saying Chief is lying.....in fact I believe he is telling the truth as he always has.
But, he is probably working other sources right now and, at least by the time he e-mailed me, had not passed the info on to Lipscomb.
Let's hold our fire and our e-mails for now.
the he e-mailing me is Lipscomb, not Chief, to make that clear. I have not talked to Chief himself and would not know how to get in touch with him.
>>I expect to post what I know Monday.
Thats cutting it kinda close, huh?
Wont the RATs already scream about the timing?
If the shoe were on the other foot, wouldn't we scream about the timing?
I'd say TODAY is the LAST day for any type of negative stuff to come out that will be taken seriously even the tinyest bit.
Is Stolen Honor going to show in any battle ground states other than Florida this weekend?
BY THOMAS LIPSCOMB - Special to the Sun
October 13, 2004
An official Navy document on Senator Kerry's campaign Web site listed as Mr. Kerry's "Honorable Discharge from the Reserves" opens a door on a well kept secret about his military service.
The document is a form cover letter in the name of the Carter administration's secretary of the Navy, W. Graham Claytor. It describes Mr. Kerry's discharge as being subsequent to the review of "a board of officers." This in it self is unusual. There is nothing about an ordinary honorable discharge action in the Navy that requires a review by a board of officers.
According to the secretary of the Navy's document, the "authority of reference" this board was using in considering Mr. Kerry's record was "Title 10, U.S. Code Section 1162 and 1163. "This section refers to the grounds for involuntary separation from the service. What was being reviewed, then, was Mr. Kerry's involuntary separation from the service. And it couldn't have been an honorable discharge, or there would have been no point in any review at all. The review was likely held to improve Mr. Kerry's status of discharge from a less than honorable discharge to an honorable discharge.
A Kerry campaign spokesman, David Wade, was asked whether Mr. Kerry had ever been a victim of an attempt to deny him an honorable discharge. There has been no response to that inquiry.
The document is dated February 16, 1978. But Mr. Kerry's military commitment began with his six-year enlistment contract with the Navy on February 18, 1966. His commitment should have terminated in 1972. It is highly unlikely that either the man who at that time was a Vietnam Veterans Against the War leader, John Kerry, requested or the Navy accepted an additional six year reserve commitment. And the Claytor document indicates proceedings to reverse a less than honorable discharge that took place sometime prior to February 1978.
The most routine time for Mr. Kerry's discharge would have been at the end of his six-year obligation, in 1972. But how was it most likely to have come about?
NBC's release this March of some of the Nixon White House tapes about Mr. Kerry show a great deal of interest in Mr. Kerry by Nixon and his executive staff, including, perhaps most importantly, Nixon's special counsel, Charles Colson. In a meeting the day after Mr. Kerry's Senate testimony, April 23, 1971, Mr. Colson attacks Mr. Kerry as a "complete opportunist...We'll keep hitting him, Mr. President."
Mr. Colson was still on the case two months later, according to a memo he wrote on June 15,1971, that was brought to the surface by the Houston Chronicle. "Let's destroy this young demagogue before he becomes another Ralph Nader." Nixon had been a naval officer in World War II. Mr. Colson was a former Marine captain. Mr. Colson had been prodded to find "dirt" on Mr. Kerry, but reported that he couldn't find any.
The Nixon administration ran FBI surveillance on Mr. Kerry from September 1970 until August 1972. Finding grounds for an other than honorable discharge, however, for a leader of the Vietnam Veterans Against the War, given his numerous activities while still a reserve officer of the Navy, was easier than finding "dirt."
For example, while America was still at war, Mr. Kerry had met with the North Vietnamese and Viet Cong delegation to the Paris Peace talks in May 1970 and then held a demonstration in July 1971 in Washington to try to get Congress to accept the enemy's seven point peace proposal without a single change. Woodrow Wilson threw Eugene Debs, a former presidential candidate, in prison just for demonstrating for peace negotiations with Germany during World War I. No court overturned his imprisonment. He had to receive a pardon from President Harding.
Mr. Colson refused to answer any questions about his activities regarding Mr. Kerry during his time in the Nixon White House. The secretary of the Navy at the time during the Nixon presidency is the current chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee, Senator Warner. A spokesman for the senator, John Ullyot, said, "Senator Warner has no recollection that would either confirm or challenge any representation that Senator Kerry received a less than honorable discharge."
The "board of officers" review reported in the Claytor document is even more extraordinary because it came about "by direction of the President." No normal honorable discharge requires the direction of the president. The president at that time was James Carter. This adds another twist to the story of Mr. Kerry's hidden military records.
Mr. Carter's first act as president was a general amnesty for draft dodgers and other war protesters. Less than an hour after his inauguration on January 21, 1977, while still in the Capitol building, Mr. Carter signed Executive Order 4483 empowering it. By the time it became a directive from the Defense Department in March 1977 it had been expanded to include other offenders who may have had general, bad conduct, dishonorable discharges, and any other discharge or sentence with negative effect on military records. In those cases the directive outlined a procedure for appeal on a case by case basis before a board of officers. A satisfactory appeal would result in an improvement of discharge status or an honorable discharge.
Mr. Kerry has repeatedly refused to sign Standard Form 180, which would allow the release of all his military records. And some of his various spokesmen have claimed that all his records are already posted on his Web site. But the Washington Post already noted that the Naval Personnel Office admitted that they were still withholding about 100 pages of files.
If Mr. Kerry was the victim of a Nixon "enemies list" hit, one might have expected him to wear it like a badge of honor, like many others such as his friend Daniel Ellsberg, who leaked the Pentagon Papers, CBS's Daniel Schorr, or the actor Paul Newman, who had made Mr. Colson's original list of 20 "enemies."
There are a number of categories of discharges besides honorable. There are general discharges, medical discharges, bad conduct discharges, as well as other than honorable and dishonorable discharges. There is one odd coincidence that gives some weight to the possibility that Mr. Kerry was dishonorably discharged. Mr. Kerry has claimed that he lost his medal certificates and that is why he asked that they be reissued. But when a dishonorable discharge is issued, all pay benefits, and allowances, and all medals and honors are revoked as well. And five months after Mr. Kerry joined the U.S. Senate in 1985, on one single day, June 4, all of Mr. Kerry's medals were reissued. About damn time this story broke. Now we need to get Drudge to post it.
bump... ;o)
I couldn't care less about the DD180, or any other 180 kerry has released on the public. I just want him to sign the SF-180.
Listen to Kerry discussing it in an interview personally..
along with being called a Former LT. and disagreeing with commanders while in Theatre.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1262091/posts
Tom Sullivan of KFBK 1530 am in Sacramento played it at 2 pm today... Huge reaction off the 20-30 something crowd.. Callers were extremely touched with tears listening to the documentary.
There will be no PRINT edition of the New York Sun tomorrow. It is a fine newspaper, but it is only published Mondays through Fridays.
You might see an article on their website, though.
DISH Network Offers Special Broadcast of Controversial Documentary 'Stolen Honor'
'Stolen Honor: Wounds That Never Heal' Available One Night Only on Pay-Per-View
ENGLEWOOD, Colo., Oct 29, 2004 (BUSINESS WIRE) -- EchoStar Communications Corporation (Nasdaq:DISH) and its DISH Network(TM) satellite TV service, the fastest growing TV provider in the past four years, announced today that for one night only, on Nov. 1, it will offer Carlton Sherwood's documentary film "Stolen Honor: Wounds that Never Heal" that focuses on Sen. John Kerry.
This film is available to DISH Network's more than 10 million customers for $9.95 on channel 457 at 8 p.m. Eastern Time and channel 455 at 8 p.m. Pacific Time. DISH Network is the only television provider broadcasting this and other political documentaries on pay-per-view.
"We are pleased to provide our customers a variety of political films and documentaries so they can make informed choices," said Susan Arnold, vice president of Programming at EchoStar's DISH Network.
A new documentary, "Stolen Honor: Wounds that Never Heal," investigates Kerry's actions during the Vietnam era. The film is produced by Carlton Sherwood, president of Red White and Blue Production. Sherwood is a decorated veteran of Vietnam and a Pulitzer Prize winning journalist.
This film can be ordered on DISH Network's pay-per-view by remote control.
About EchoStar
EchoStar Communications Corporation (Nasdaq:DISH) serves more than 10.1 million satellite TV customers through its DISH Network(TM), the fastest growing U.S. provider of advanced digital television services in the last four years. DISH Network offers hundreds of video and audio channels, Interactive TV, HDTV, sports and international programming, together with professional installation and 24-hour customer service. DISH Network ranks No. 1 in Customer Satisfaction among Cable/Satellite TV Subscribers by J.D. Power and Associates. Visit EchoStar's DISH Network at www.dishnetwork.com or call 1-800-333-DISH (3474).
SOURCE: EchoStar Communications Corporation
EchoStar Communications Corporation
Marc Lumpkin, 303-723-2020
marc.lumpkin@echostar.com
or
Quantum Communications
Charlie Gerow, 717-213-4955
(P.S.: Dish will also run 'Fahrenheit 9/11', same night, on ch 458 (8p ET) and ch 456 (8p PT)
You know if they can get enough play this weekend it could move things enough, at the last minute, to offset whatever 60-Minutes has planned for Sunday.
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