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To: Laissez-faire capitalist
While I am heartened by the Hawaii data, this article is a classic example of misreading and misstating statistical aberrations. Just because two events happen concurrently does not mean there is a causal relationship, or even a correlation, between them.

The article suggests that Hawaii voting for the Republican is caused by there being a landslide on the mainland (with a sample size of two previous events). Hawaii voting Bush could have several other, more likely, explanations, to wit: (1) the high number of veterans in Hawaii and Kerry's unpopularity with vets; and (2) Hawaii's sense of insecurity about terrorism being the closest US state to Indonesia and the Philippines, which are bubbling hotbeds og Muslim hatred.

The fact that the polls show it close on the mainland suggests that these other explanations are more likely.

4 posted on 10/29/2004 7:22:06 AM PDT by massadvj
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To: massadvj

Your argument hinges upon this being a historical abberation, which actually supports my argument. Since Hawaii only votes GOP in Republican re-election landslides, that brings some relevance into this current election cycle.

Bush leading over Kerry in Hawaii, points to this quite possibly being another re-election landslide for Republicans, namely President Bush.

You forgot a third possible expalanation. Reagan and Nixon were in what could be called neck and neck races just before their re-election landslides. We see the same now, with Bush v. Kerry.... and we see Hawaii leaning Bush now as well.


7 posted on 10/29/2004 7:31:00 AM PDT by Laissez-faire capitalist
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To: massadvj

I'm guessing but it could partly be that Hawaii likes to be on the winning team. Being far out in the Pacific and ignored is lonely. California can afford to be ignored by Bush, and they are, but Hawaii could really benefit.


8 posted on 10/29/2004 7:31:53 AM PDT by Reeses
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To: massadvj
Good analysis. But not for this post. This post is not aiming to be an in depth statistical analysis, but, rather a different look at divergent datas. Its a zinger, a stop em in their tracks, scare em poopless. I rather like it.
10 posted on 10/29/2004 7:39:54 AM PDT by crazyhorse691 (I volunteer to instruct JFK on the meaning of a purple heart!!)
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To: massadvj

Isn't there some sort of political aspects relating to Guam that is changing Hawaiian votes?


19 posted on 10/29/2004 11:51:33 AM PDT by CatAtomic (~~~~ You can't get rid of poverty by giving people money. ~P.J. O'Rourke)
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To: massadvj

I understand that there are a fair amount of Mormons in Hawaii also. Is this true and does that factor in.


27 posted on 10/30/2004 4:54:03 AM PDT by bella1 (bella1)
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To: massadvj
Hawaii voting Bush could have several other, more likely, explanations, to wit: (1) the high number of veterans in Hawaii and Kerry's unpopularity with vets; and (2) Hawaii's sense of insecurity about terrorism being the closest US state to Indonesia and the Philippines, which are bubbling hotbeds og Muslim hatred.

You left out same sex marriage. The state courts tried to impose it on Hawaii in '94, so in '98 Hawaii became the first state in the union to define marriage as one man to one woman. Kerry hurts himself in Hawaii by being on the wrong side of the CMA.

35 posted on 10/31/2004 1:25:42 PM PST by Fatalis (The Libertarian Party is to politics as Esperanto is to linguistics.)
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