Posted on 10/28/2004 11:17:27 AM PDT by tazannie
Thursday, October 28, 2004 John Kerry's Dishonorable Discharge Through a very reliable source, I received a copy of the following e-mail to Sean Hannity asking his help in exposing the truth about John Kerry's discharge papers fromteh US Navy. The author is a retired former Navy lawyer and he references the former personal lawyer to then Secretary of the Navy J. William Middleton
Were is the "Linda Tripp" patriot in the Pentagon who will send out the Kerry records this Sunday? Would any major media dare to print these papers? (I doubt it)Where is Danny Ellsberg when America needs him? Kerry could have signed the Form 180 and put all this speculation to rest.
That's true.....but I saw an interview of his officer who told he and other's on the boat told Kerry to "leave Viet Nam" and said the next morning his bags were pack and he left. That officer had to turn in papers as to why Kerry was told to leave and would he not have gotten some kind of follow up?
ping
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE JANUARY 21, 1977
Office of the White House Press Secretary
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THE WHITE HOUSE
GRANTING PARDON FOR VIOLATIONS
OF THE SELECTIVE SERVICE ACT,
AUGUST 4, 1964 TO MARCH 28, 1973
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BY THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA
A PROCLAMATIONActing pursuant to the grant of authority in Article II, Section 2, of the Constitution of the United States, I, Jimmy Carter, President of the United States, do hereby grant a full, complete and unconditional pardon to: (1) all persons who may have committed any offense between August 4, 1964 and March 28, 1973 in violation of the Military Selective Service Act or any rule or regulation promulgated thereunder; and (2) all persons heretofore convicted, irrespective of the date of conviction, of any offense committed between August 4, 1964 and March 28, 1973 in violation of the Military Selective Service Act, or any rule or regulation promulgated thereunder, restoring to them full political, civil and other rights.
This pardon does not apply to the following who are specifically excluded therefrom:
(1) All persons convicted of or who may have committed any offense in violation of the Military Selective Service Act, or any rule or regulation promulgated thereunder, involving force or violence; and
(2) All persons convicted of or who may have committed any offense in violation of the Military Selective Service Act, or any rule or regulation promulgated thereunder, in connection with duties or responsibilities arising out of employment as agents, officers or employees of the Military Selective Service system.IN WITNESS WHEREOF, I have hereunto set my hand this 21st day of January, in the year of our Lord nineteen
hundred and seventy-seven, and of the Independence of the United States of America the two hundred and first.JIMMY CARTER
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Executive Order
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As I said, there is nothing in the Carter amnesty that would have affected Kerry one way or the other. This is sloppy wishful thinking, I'm afraid.
bttt
This story has been bandied about here for quite some time. Failing any documentation, it simply doesn't add up as something that will affect the election.
However, if someone like Hannity runs with it, and it's disproven before the election, it could harm Bush.
Either someone puts up the documentation or this should be dropped. It has the potential to do exactly the opposite of what you'd like it to do.
I've seen no credible documentation, and I've been following every thread.
Hey, someone out there can give this legs. It sounds like the honorable men mentioned in the letter may have been a part of/or saw papers relating to the board that OK'd Kerry's discharge change. There have to be those out there who are better than I am at researching. Start running those names and see if anyone can find out if they exist, if their story is plausible and where they can be located. Give it legs, go.
I doubt Kerry's Less Than Honorable Discharge from the Naval Reserves had anything to do with what he did while on the Swift Boats so many Swift Vets may not know any more than we do.
It is far more likely Kerry's Less Than Honorable Discharge resulted from the Anti-American (Treasonous) things he did after he came home.
It's becoming clear to me how much of a gentleman Bush is. Every time he's challenged about his service, he politely reminds everyone he was honorably discharged. I now realize that this is a subtle reference to a distinction between his service and that of John Kerry's - except, of course, Bush is too much of a gentleman to say it outright.
YW: "I have wondered why some of the swiftvets haven't/didn't mention this, some of them were his officers, etc.
I doubt Kerry's Less Than Honorable Discharge from the Naval Reserves had anything to do with what he did while on the Swift Boats so many Swift Vets may not know any more than we do.
It is far more likely Kerry's Less Than Honorable Discharge resulted from the Anti-American (Treasonous) things he did after he came home.
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I did not write any of the above. You must have me confused with someone else's replie. That's ok. Hard to keep track at what we are responding to sometimes.
ttt
Post number 15 is correct: If Kerry had received a Dishonorable Discharge, it would have required a court-martial. There are no provisions I am aware of for a "secret" court-martial proceeding. Since the court martial would have occurred during the Nixon Administration, and since Nixon was not a friend of Kerry's, but was overheard on the tapes referring to Kerry as a "hero", it's doubtful that he would have contrived to keep a Kerry court-martial secret. It seems much more likely, given the subsequent "reissue" of the Honorable Discharge, that Kerry received a bad conduct discharge (BCD), or a general discharge under less than honorable circumstances.
Good point, you're right....thanks
Would seam to me that what ever the Bad act was, it is at the time his Secret Clarence was pulled. Which was wail he was in Reserve Status after the Active duty period.
I agree with you completely. It was likely he was released under an honorable or general discharge, and it was the actual reason that is being withheld by Kerry.
Tread carefully people.
Beware of newbies giving advice.
Kerry could be Lt.Caleigh from the Mi Lai Massacre and it wouldn't make a spit of difference in this election.
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