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1 posted on 10/28/2004 7:35:42 AM PDT by blam
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If the BBC is that worked up about South Africe then Texas must give them a heart attack.


2 posted on 10/28/2004 7:37:49 AM PDT by TXBSAFH (Never underestimate the power of human stupidity--Robert Heinlein)
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And in Zimbabwe with its very low gun ownership rate - 0.32% - there is madman in power killing and murdering his people by the thousands...of course, those stats never count.

If the whites in South Africa give up their guns, they are doomed...
3 posted on 10/28/2004 7:40:10 AM PDT by 2banana (They want to die for Islam and we want to kill them)
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8.4%? That's nothing!

BTW, how about this pic accompanying the story? Not too infammatory is it?

4 posted on 10/28/2004 7:41:40 AM PDT by BenLurkin (We have low inflation and and low unemployment.)
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If I lived in South Africa I'd have belt-fed weapons around my property.


6 posted on 10/28/2004 7:41:58 AM PDT by Rummyfan
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Never any mention of the pre- and post-Apartheid crime rates.

I wonder why? </sarcasm>

8 posted on 10/28/2004 7:46:14 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (I actually did vote for John Kerry, before I voted against him.)
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Translation: This is part of the UN's Eliminate all guns from the planet campaign headed up by that commie skank Rebecca Peters.

GET OUT OF THE UN NOW!


11 posted on 10/28/2004 8:00:50 AM PDT by 50 Cal (A Lawyer is nothing but a Politician in Larval Form!)
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"South African civilians own more guns than the police and military combined..."

Hooray! Now if the good guys can just get organized...


13 posted on 10/28/2004 8:02:06 AM PDT by WorkingClassFilth (What can you expect from a political party full of master-debators?)
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On the other hand, the BBC screwed up and reported this recently:

Murder rates fall in South Africa

Regardless, I would observe that South Africa with its piddly 8.8% gun ownership rate has a 45/100,000 homicide rate. The US, with a gun ownership rate of 50%, has a 9/100,000 homicide rate.

Hmmm...maybe something else is at work other than gun ownership rates...y'think?

14 posted on 10/28/2004 8:06:08 AM PDT by B Knotts ("John Kerry, who says he doesn't like outsourcing, wants to outsource our national security.")
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According to the book THE WASHING OF THE SPEARS the author tells how in the late 1800's Blacks in South Africa would work a full year to get a flintlock trade musket.

The British were so alrmed they instituted a thing called GUN REGISTRATION for Blacks. When they brought in their privatly owned muskets the firearms were confiscated or damaged beyond use, then returned to the natives.


16 posted on 10/28/2004 8:14:20 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (DEMS STILL LIE like dirty dam flea biten stinkin tick infested s*** eatin yellow dogs.)
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He said that gun shops reported that black South Africans now accounted for most of their customers.

Could that be because South Africa's insanely high crime rate tends to impact the poorer segments of the population more? Duh.

17 posted on 10/28/2004 8:14:54 AM PDT by Modernman (Giving money and power to government is like giving whiskey and car keys to teenage boys. - P.J.)
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Also, I would note that Swaziland, cited by the BBC as having an approvingly low gun ownership rate, had a murder rate in the 1990s (80/100,000) quite a bit higher that of South Africa (then 65/100,000)!
19 posted on 10/28/2004 8:15:54 AM PDT by B Knotts ("John Kerry, who says he doesn't like outsourcing, wants to outsource our national security.")
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They have to take the guns before they can take the farmers' land as they did in Zimbabwe.

Carolyn

25 posted on 10/28/2004 8:42:32 AM PDT by CDHart
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Having spent some time in South Africa, Jo'burg specifically back in 1999/2000 all I can say is there is a reason that people have weapons. The crime was out of control. The hotel even encouraged us to use an armed escort (which the hotel was able to provide us) when we went out to certain tourist places. At night you could hear gun shots here and there and in the morning bodies would be laying in the streets in some sections. Unbelievable.

That town was what I imagined Dodge City to be when they talk about it in the old westerns. Although I understand it has improved, I can't imagine how since the police powers have been severely restricted by the new government.

Beautiful country though.


28 posted on 10/28/2004 8:54:10 AM PDT by Stag (I am the king of bad pick up lines)
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Very interesting statistics there:
   GUN OWNERSHIP RATES

   South Africa  8.4% 
   Namibia       5.4% 
   Botswana      1.9% 
   Swaziland     0.95% 
   Zambia        0.86%
   Zimbabwe      0.32% 
   Malawi        0.26%
   Mozambique    0.04%
Let's see how that compares to the countries per capita GDP:

   GUN OWNERSHIP RATES   P/C GDP rank and amount

   South Africa  8.4%    # 77   $10,700
   Namibia       5.4%    # 98   $ 7,100
   Botswana      1.9%    # 87   $ 8,800
   Swaziland     0.95%   #127   $ 4,900
   Zambia        0.86%   #213   $   800
   Zimbabwe      0.32%   #172   $ 1,900
   Malawi        0.26%   #227   $   600
   Mozambique    0.04%   #199   $ 1,200
There seems to be a close correlation between the rate of gun ownership and the per capita GDP of a country. The poorest countries have the least gun ownership. If you think about it, do the people who have naked small children with extended bellies and flies swarming around their eyes standing in line to get a bowl of gruel have enough money to buy a gun? Or you could interpret it to mean that ownership of guns is the path to economic prosperity and if you never own a gun you will be in the group of people who are living in a van down by the river.
68 posted on 10/28/2004 3:23:00 PM PDT by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
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