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To: clintonh8r

First: Checkmate.

Kerry's huge scandal has just blown up. In his face. He will look like a fool over the next couple of days. He made desperate charges, and now he will have to conduct a climbdown. This is the end.

I strongly suspect that this story, if it gets play, will lead to a loss of some morale among marginal Kerry voters.

Second: the SPETZNAZ moved in and moved the stuff to Syria. Why? BECAUSE THE STUFF HAD BEEN MADE AND SOLD TO SADDAM BY THE RUSSIANS AND UNDER RUSSIAN SUPERVISION!!!! If it's SPETZNAZ troops, or the Guards Iron Hammer Airborne troops, it's Putin's personal operation.

We KNEW this, and have known it all along. It was the intention of Bush to forgive the Russians their tresspasses because Putin never betrayed Bush personally. The Russians were in cold pursuit of their national interests. We knew that Putin was moving the stuff out. We also knew something else:

Putin took possession of Saddam's WMD stockpile, in part to give the headstrong Americans pause, in part to cover their own participation in the Moustache's arms buildup, and lastly to keep it out of the hands of Al Qaeda, and their good friends, the Chechens. Botulinum toxin or VX gas works just as well in the Moscow Subway system as it would in Penn Station. I will bet you that Bush, Rice, Powell, Rummy, the head spooks at CIA, Blair, and MI-6 knew this as well.

This story tells me the whole missing ingredient: Vladimir Putin. Only the KGB could assemble a team in a short time and get the bad stuff out. They knew where it was hidden; we did not. He must have promised Saddam asylum and a healthy retirement on the Black Sea in exchange for cooperation. I wonder how long it took for Saddam to realize that Putin had taken him to the cleaners?

Why did we let a huge KGB operation go forward? Why did we let the WMD escape? Well, two reasons:

1. The WMD and the high explosives were going into Russian hands. Russians are reasonable, sane people. They are not Arabs.

2. And the most important reason of all? Saddam would never get the chance to use combat mycotoxins or VX against our troops. It is possible that hundreds of lives were saved this way, possibly several thousand. If the choice was between Bush being embarrassed and having to put up with the likes of a blowhard like John Kerry and Bush presiding over the loss of hundreds of guys in a single day due to VX?

The choice, my friends, was an easy one for Bush to make.

Which is another reason why he gets my vote: the interest of the fighting men came first.

Be Seeing You,

Chris

201 posted on 10/27/2004 7:43:22 PM PDT by section9 (Major Motoko Kusanagi says, "Jesus is Coming. Everybody look busy...")
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To: section9

What a great day! JFK washed up and Arafat dying is just too much good news to handle....... almost as good as an oganism.


219 posted on 10/27/2004 7:44:50 PM PDT by umgud (Donate monthly, don't be a Freeploader)
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To: section9; Allan

With the Russians, remember the story about their diplomatic convoy being attacked on its way to Syria during the war...


243 posted on 10/27/2004 7:47:31 PM PDT by Shermy
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To: section9

If we hadn't spent so much time trying to be diplomatic with these European weasels that were stabbing us in the back, perhaps we could have gotten there before the explosives were moved.


249 posted on 10/27/2004 7:48:02 PM PDT by Virginia
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To: section9

Well said.


251 posted on 10/27/2004 7:48:11 PM PDT by handy (Forgive me this day, my daily typos...The Truth is not a Smear!)
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To: section9

I'm not convinced the stuff ended up in Russia... they may still be in Syria. I could be wrong if we were looking the other way.


267 posted on 10/27/2004 7:49:55 PM PDT by DaveMSmith (I'm not so sure it's credible to quote leading news organizations about --oh,nevermind.-GWB)
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To: section9
Makes good sense.

The Russians also had a great deal of money tied up in this stuff and they were not going to get paid......

The delay in response may be due to talks with Russia on how to proceed with this.

298 posted on 10/27/2004 7:53:44 PM PDT by Cold Heat (http://ice.he.net/~freepnet/kerry/staticpages/index.php?page=20040531140357545)
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To: section9
1. The WMD and the high explosives were going into Russian hands. Russians are reasonable, sane people. They are not Arabs. 2. And the most important reason of all? Saddam would never get the chance to use combat mycotoxins or VX against our troops. It is possible that hundreds of lives were saved this way, possibly several thousand. If the choice was between Bush being embarrassed and having to put up with the likes of a blowhard like John Kerry and Bush presiding over the loss of hundreds of guys in a single day due to VX?

BINGO.

303 posted on 10/27/2004 7:54:19 PM PDT by PrinceOfCups
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To: section9
Most logical scenario I've heard to date. It's also probably why Gaddafi folded his tent.
333 posted on 10/27/2004 7:58:34 PM PDT by FireTrack
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To: section9
Kerry's huge scandal has just blown up. In his face. He will look like a fool over the next couple of days. He made desperate charges, and now he will have to conduct a climbdown. This is the end.

Toesucker was channelling you on Fox News earlier tonight.

348 posted on 10/27/2004 8:01:26 PM PDT by Petronski (A Monday morning quarterback has never led any team to victory.)
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To: section9

This explains why the Kerry campaign keeps telling their people to vote early.

They knew something was coming to shut them down.

Karl Rove YOU DA MAN!!!!!!!!!


349 posted on 10/27/2004 8:01:31 PM PDT by sissyjane (Silk pajamas for dress up, and flannel for everyday-perfect Freeper wardrobe!!)
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To: section9

Which explains the finds of Chem suits, nerve agent antidotes and the like---but no NBC agents in country---they were spirited away.


419 posted on 10/27/2004 8:10:10 PM PDT by abigkahuna
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To: section9
Putin took possession of Saddam's WMD stockpile, in part to give the headstrong Americans pause, in part to cover their own participation in the Moustache's arms buildup, and lastly to keep it out of the hands of Al Qaeda, and their good friends, the Chechens. Botulinum toxin or VX gas works just as well in the Moscow Subway system as it would in Penn Station. I will bet you that Bush, Rice, Powell, Rummy, the head spooks at CIA, Blair, and MI-6 knew this as well.

OMG, this is even richer than I ever imagined!

Betcha this all got set up with Putin down on the ranch! (The Western White House - way off in the willies where no one can listen, no embedded ears in the walls, not near enough for even long range listening devices...totally secure) We knew the stuff was from Russia: Play cards with us. We'll let you get it out, store it in a safe place, when the time comes, it'll come out that we worked together to keep the world safer...everyone saves face---except FRn'ce, g'mny and sKrry...

Omigod. A Jack Ryan escapade, if ever there was one! The would make Tom Clancy envious!

I wondered why FRance and G'rmany and UN were hitched, lately, on the oil-for-money scam and Russia sort of fell off the radar.

And probably the evidence of the infamous-3's dirty dealings are 'secure' too, but not with them!

Betcha there's lots of candles burning through the night tonight. sKrry's gonna need an emmergency Botox infusion.

No wonder "W" has shown such confidence all along. He knows what hes doing. Or as we say up here in the north woods - where the bear sheets in the buckwheat.

see my tag line...watch it and you'll feel really good about "The Man"

472 posted on 10/27/2004 8:18:26 PM PDT by maine-iac7 ( Play Bommers http://pages.sbcglobal.net/bommer/When_The_Man_Comes_Around.html)
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To: section9
You are da man.

Great post.

515 posted on 10/27/2004 8:26:42 PM PDT by Vigilantcitizen (#40)
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To: section9
You are forgetting the French involvement.
They supplied major satellite re-con for Iran during our entry.
They supplied anti-aicraft missiles and antitank armaments.
The French are in just as deep as the Russians.
530 posted on 10/27/2004 8:29:21 PM PDT by DaveTesla (You can fool some of the people some of the time......)
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To: section9

And whatever the truth is, it is probably considered Natl Security secrets by Bush, Rice, Rummy etc. Slimeball Kerry is really in a mess now.


584 posted on 10/27/2004 8:38:51 PM PDT by Hattie
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To: section9

Thank you for your analysis. I am too tired to wade through everything that goes on here at FR. Reading your posts gets me caught up in a hurry. :)


640 posted on 10/27/2004 8:54:10 PM PDT by GWfan
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To: section9
Putin. Only the KGB could assemble a team in a short time and get the bad stuff out. They knew where it was hidden; we did not. He must have promised Saddam asylum and a healthy retirement on the Black Sea in exchange for cooperation. I wonder how long it took for Saddam to realize that Putin had taken him to the cleaners?

Long enough so's he didn't put up much of a fight - The planes stayed on the ground, the Republican Guard ran...Saddam thought he would be spirited out to safety..

By the time he realized he's been playing poker with the big boys, the game was up and he crawled into a hole.

Hey, Clancy, that book done yet?

674 posted on 10/27/2004 9:03:08 PM PDT by maine-iac7 ( Play Bommers http://pages.sbcglobal.net/bommer/When_The_Man_Comes_Around.html)
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To: section9
Be Seeing You,

No . Wait.

You're makiing me have to think here. Because I know there's a scenario out there, maybe yours exactly, maybe something similar.

Plus....the Putin connection. Remember the love affair of Bush and Putin? Could it be that this was the agreement both of these men made, this plan, just the two of them, two men who had the fate of the world and decided, maybe after a prayer, that this was the simplest thing of all?

This is a bit much for me right now. But I know there's waaaaaaay more to the Iraq war than we know right now.

743 posted on 10/27/2004 9:21:27 PM PDT by Fishtalk (Once a liberal and victim of all the spin. Ask me to interpret.)
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To: SittinYonder

here's the post


753 posted on 10/27/2004 9:23:48 PM PDT by eyespysomething (Idealism is fine, but as it approaches reality the cost becomes prohibitive.)
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