NY Times: Iraqis Tell of Looting at Munitions Site

NY Times ^ | 10/28/04

[ambrose]

MISSING EXPLOSIVES

4 Iraqis Tell of Looting at Munitions Site in '03

By JAMES GLANZ and JIM DWYER

Published: October 28, 2004

BAGHDAD, Iraq, Oct. 27 - Looters stormed the weapons site at Al Qaqaa in the days after American troops swept through the area in early April 2003 on their way to Baghdad, gutting office buildings, carrying off munitions and even dismantling heavy machinery, three Iraqi witnesses and a regional security chief said Wednesday.

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The Iraqis described an orgy of theft so extensive that enterprising residents rented their trucks to looters. But some looting was clearly indiscriminate, with people grabbing anything they could find and later heaving unwanted items off the trucks.

Two witnesses were employees of Al Qaqaa - one a chemical engineer and the other a mechanic - and the third was a former employee, a chemist, who had come back to retrieve his records, determined to keep them out of American hands. The mechanic, Ahmed Saleh Mezher, said employees asked the Americans to protect the site but were told this was not the soldiers' responsibility.

The accounts do not directly address the question of when 380 tons of powerful conventional explosives vanished from the site sometime after early March, the last time international inspectors checked the seals on the bunkers where the material was stored. It is possible that Iraqi forces removed some explosives before the invasion.

But the accounts make clear that what set off much if not all of the looting was the arrival and swift departure of American troops, who did not secure the site after inducing the Iraqi forces to abandon it.

"The looting started after the collapse of the regime," said Wathiq al-Dulaimi, a regional security chief, who was based nearby in Latifiya. But once it had begun, he said, the booty streamed toward Baghdad.

Earlier this month, on Oct. 10, the directorate of national monitoring at the Ministry of Science and Technology notified the International Atomic Energy Agency that the explosives, which are used in demolition and missiles and are the raw material for plastic explosives, were missing. The agency has monitored the explosives because they can also be used as the initiator of an atomic bomb.

Agency officials examined the explosives in January 2003 and noted in early March that their seals were still in place. On April 3, the Third Infantry Division arrived with the first American troops.

Chris Anderson, a photographer for U.S. News and World Report who was with the division's Second Brigade, recalled that the area was jammed with American armor on April 3 and 4, which he believed made the removal of the explosives unlikely. "It would be quite improbable for this amount of weapons to be looted at that time because of the traffic jam of armor," he said.

The brigade blew up numerous caches of arms throughout the area, he said. Mr. Anderson said he did not enter the munitions compound.

The Second Brigade of the 101st Airborne Division arrived outside the site on April 10, under the command of Col. Joseph Anderson. The brigade had been ordered to move quickly to Baghdad because of civil disorder there after Mr. Hussein's government fell on April 9.

They gathered at Al Qaqaa, about 30 miles south, simply as a matter of convenience, Colonel Anderson said in an interview this week. He said that when he arrived at the site - unaware of its significance - he saw no signs of looting, but was not paying close attention.

Because he thought the brigade would be moving on to Baghdad within hours, Al Qaqaa was of no importance to his mission, he said, and he was unaware of the explosives that international inspectors said were hidden inside.

Pentagon officials said Wednesday that analysts were examining surveillance photographs of the munitions site. But they expressed doubts that the photographs, which showed vehicles at the location on several occasions early in the conflict, before American troops moved through the area, would be able to indicate conclusively when the explosives were removed.

Col. David Perkins, who commanded the Second Brigade of the Third Infantry Division, called it "very highly improbable" that 380 tons of explosives could have been trucked out of Al Qaqaa in the weeks after American troops arrived.

Moving that much material, said Colonel Perkins, who spoke Wednesday to news agencies and cable television, "would have required dozens of heavy trucks and equipment moving along the same roadways as U.S. combat divisions occupied continually for weeks."

He conceded that some looting of the site had taken place. But a chemical engineer who worked at Al Qaqaa and identified himself only as Khalid said that once troops left the base itself, people streamed in to steal computers and anything else of value from the offices. They also took munitions like artillery shells, he said.

Mr. Mezher, the mechanic, said it took the looters about two weeks to disassemble heavy machinery at the site and carry that off after the smaller items were gone.

James Glanz reported from Baghdad for this article and Jim Dwyer from New York. Ali Adeeb contributed reporting from Baghdad, and Khalid W. Hussein and Zainab Obeid fromAl Qaqaa.

[CyberAnt]

Excuse me .. we all know there are some Iraqi's who would be willing to lie for money. I'm not buying this looting stuff unless it's about munitions .. and not the explosives.

IIRC the explosives would be useless without a trigger and a delivery system.

[Drango]

LOL

[Rokke]

The Gertz story is up now. It is WAY more extensive than the Financial Times article posted earlier on Drudge. It is full of previously classified details that reveal a very complex operation to flush special equipment out of Iraq. This is HUGE. The remainder of this campaign will be a discussion of what else was shipped out of Iraq. To include WMD's. The October Surprise is here, and the Bush/Cheney campaign didn't even have to initiate it....

or maybe they did.

[BJungNan]

If we are to believe this NYTimes story, If there was looting, then the looters must have taken the really big bombs. Pathetic the leaps the New York Times expects its readers to make.

[jimbo123]

Link to Full article from Washington Times here:

http://www.washingtontimes.com/national/20041027-101153-4822r.htm

Gertz rocks!

[mplsconservative]

Good one Gecko!

LOL

[Novel]

Looters do not make off with 380 tons of explosives. The NYT is reaching to make this stick. It ain't gonna happen fellas. Give it up!

[Jet Jaguar]

Maybe. ;-)

[ml1954]

So I'm supposed to believe that 380 tons of HDX/RDX were looted 18 months ago by Iraqi insurgents, yet NONE of it has ever been used against the coalition! This is the most incredible load of bull I have witnessed to date.

That is an excellent point. Also, if my calculations are right, 380 tons of this explosive, assuming that each ton is equivalent to 10 tons of TNT (a pure guess and hopefully too high), would be in total equal to 3.8 kilotons of TNT, or a 3.8 kiloton nuke. This is roughly about a quarter of the size of the Hiroshima bomb. And this is only if all 50 or 100 or however many truckloads of the stuff were detonated all at once. Even if true, these explosives are not even close to WMDs, so what's the big deal.

[GailA]

The place was crawling with our troops how in the sam hill did they miss 1000's of looters???? </scarsam>

[JustaCowgirl]

The trouble is I never buy the NYT anyway, nor do the vast majority of people on this board. The people who buy it are going to continue to buy it, I'm afraid.

[MeekOneGOP]

The New york Times is a bad joke. My Lord, this is laughable.

[Log]

The Times is really desperate to fabricate a story, aren't they?

[M Kehoe]

Somebody should tell the NYT to shut up. The more they try to cover their a$$, the more damage will be done to the Kerry campaign.

On second thought, let their (NYT) credibility go south along with their ad revenue.

5.56mm

[agincourt1415]

400 Tonnes carried off, OH PLEASE, can NYT be THAT STUPID?

[HawaiianGecko]

 

	Correct. RDX is nothing more than plastic explosives. RDX is considered the most powerful and brisant of the military high explosives.  It was invented in 1890 and was used in the first "plastic explosives" created. For 380 tons of it to be "looted" 18 months ago, yet NOT show up in a car bomb to date tells me this whole story is a load of crap.  Absolutely none of the I.E.D.s that have been blowing up in and around Baghdad have been from RDX and/or HDX, although if I were inclined to build a bomb I most certainly would prefer to use a bit of easy to use, easy to mold, easy to detonate, yet extremely safe to work with RDX. It's like a bunch of looters robbing a bank but not spending a single dime of the booty over an 18 month period.  I'm just not buying it. For what it's worth: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RDX It is a colourless solid, of density 1.82 g/cm³. It is obtained by reacting concentrated nitric acid on hexamine. It is a heterocycle and has the shape of a ring. It starts to decompose at about 170°C and melts at 204°C. Its structural formula is: hexahydro-1,3,5-trinitro-1,3,5-triazine or (CH2-N-NO2)3 At room temperatures, it is a very stable product. It burns rather than explodes, and only detonates with a detonator, being unaffected even by small arms fire. It is less sensitive than pentaerythritol tetranitrate (PETN). However, it is very sensitive when crystalized, below -4°C. .

 

[HawaiianGecko]

You'd be surprise what you can get in a Yugo!

[jwalsh07]

They aren't stupid, they are Goebellsian.

[GOPrincess]

Right, looters stormed the place with the U.S. military everywhere, and got rid of 380 tons of ammo... Captain's Quarters calculated it would take a company of nearly 100 men two weeks to do this. With surveillance flights, etc.? What a joke.

Meanwhile the WA TIMES does the real heavy lifting...it was the *Russians* who did it before the war? Yet another reason we CAN'T ELECT CARRY AND LIVE UNDER U.N. RULE. Other countries have very dirty pre-war hands.

[GOPrincess]

Make that CAN'T ELECT KERRY...a little excited here, thinking about carrying off ammo :).