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Cal Thomas: The media vote
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Posted on 10/26/2004 12:44:48 PM PDT by Caleb1411

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To: Caleb1411
Rush talks about this one over here I think (Along with a lot more ):

Partisan Press Wants YOU Depressed

This is not really a poll but just a poll watcher .....

21 posted on 10/26/2004 1:21:36 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (A Proud member of Free Republic ~~The New Face of the Fourth Estate since 1996.)
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To: weegee

"November 3rd, Jean Kerry will return to the Senate."

Do you really think he'll return to the Senate or resign for physical or personal reasons and slink off to Europe with his Sugar Mommy?


22 posted on 10/26/2004 1:21:39 PM PDT by BlessedByLiberty (Respectfully submitted,)
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To: BlessedByLiberty

The "nightly news" has become obsolete. They only offer about 5-8 minutes of events based news items, everything else is packaged "news magazine" reports. Same with the "morning news" programs.

With 30 minute "headline news" and "news channels" around the clock, there is little to compel viewers to watch "the nightly news" every night except habit.

Dan Rather, Sam Donaldson, Peter Jennings, Tom Brokaw. None of them are trustworthy.

All of this is a tradition that sprang up in post-war (WWII) America.

Even local news (with the heavy focus on car crashes, warehouse fires, bar shootings, sports, and weather) offers little reporting on local events and politics.

Go online and read the day's events (or tune into college radio to hear a broadcast of "reading for the blind"). You miss the "soundbites" but you can get the FULL TRANSCRIPTS.

I like talk radio better than talking head tv shows (and I can hear it in my car as well as home); I even get different hosts around the clock on several stations.

Talk radio does not replace "the news" but it does replace talking head and "magazine format" shows. I get better laughs out of FR humor threads than I ever would out of a Tonight Show monologue or The Daily Show.

FR (and online news search engines) permit me to compare a news report (or headline) to see how editors tweak the story for different markets. There always is some key detail that they choose to omit.

At this point, I don't find any of the conventional media sources to be credible. I know that I am not alone.

Sad thing is that blogs (even FR) are temporary where as hardcopy newspapers and magazines as well as broadcast shows exist in archives forever. History will be missing a major account of what happened in these days.

I know that high school history books after the election of Bill Clinton will never give an appropriate account. What will they say of election 2000 or 2004?


23 posted on 10/26/2004 1:33:25 PM PDT by weegee (George Soros has probably spent more on this election that many rock stars make in a year.)
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To: Caleb1411
See this for a great dissection of a poll that was really ridiculous , but on the front page all over the USA:

Saturday, October 23rd, 2004
Ipsos and Bias
from the PoliPundit Blog

24 posted on 10/26/2004 1:34:03 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (A Proud member of Free Republic ~~The New Face of the Fourth Estate since 1996.)
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To: BlessedByLiberty

How much time does he have left in the Senate on this term?

How much time does he OWE the Senate for all the years he was elected but AWOL?


25 posted on 10/26/2004 1:34:43 PM PDT by weegee (George Soros has probably spent more on this election that many rock stars make in a year.)
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To: Caleb1411

BTTT


26 posted on 10/26/2004 1:36:44 PM PDT by EdReform (Have you seen FAHRENHYPE 9/11? - www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1240926/posts)
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To: weegee

Very well said. The cure for truth in history books is the death of political correctness. By bending over for disparate groups of complainers history books history books do not reflect what happened at a given point in time, but the perspective of a segmented group.

As to the MSM, it isn't over and they will still exist. As the MSM agenda driven elders retire or die off, the very nature of the ugly beast will change.


27 posted on 10/26/2004 1:55:13 PM PDT by BlessedByLiberty (Respectfully submitted,)
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To: BlessedByLiberty
The MSM has shown that they are unwilling to update a news story if some details change (for example, Kerry/MSM's assertion that explosives were stolen under our watch).

If the stories are going to be "in the can" even if they are being read LIVE, then there is no reason to watch "the nightly news" at night. You can time shift it to whenever you want. If you realize that apart from the top headlines, everything else is canned ("Eye on America" looks at an individual seeking health care, a product placement for a new placebo, et al.) crap that you don't even "need" (if you want to get science updates on medical advances, read a pharmaceutical journal or other such publication; most of what makes the news is nothing more than a promo clip of stock footage supplied by a corporation trying to sell the public on the latest "cure").

Heck, nightly tv lineups are old hat. TiVo and rebroadcasts have people watching "new" shows whenever they want rather than when broadcasters show them (only live sports/awards shows draw a live home audience these days).

Add to that DVD, Pay Per View, Theaters, movie channels, et al, and the "prime time lineup" faces a lot of competition.

If/when people download the programming they want to see (encrypted digital broadcast?), scheduling won't even matter.

We have already gone away from the "shared experience" of watching/listening to the same entertainment/news at the same time.

Would Elvis or the Beatles on Ed Sullivan mean anything today?

Breaking news stories (disasters and acts of war) are poorly covered by the MSM. They were able to cover the Reagan funeral alright (point a camera and let us hear what the speakers have to say).

People may watch a lot of news in a day, but how much do they actually know about what went on the world that day?

There are 31-34 wars actively being fought (some internal). We certainly don't hear about all the conflict in the world.

The lifecycle for information is a lot shorter now. The Houston Comical pulls wire stories and puts them online around 8PM CST. They will see print in a day or two in the hardcopy paper. If the "news" is already OLD by the time I'd get a hardcopy, why would I ever want to BUY it? Never mind the horrible biases in the editorial staff.

They need to clean house and re-evaluate bringing news to the consumer. Journalists need to report, not exploit/fabricate/lie/distort (especially to advance an activist agenda). They need to bring the news to the customer when he wants it and update the information as details emerge or are disproven (and they need to come clean with the audience when they are WRONG).

We give the MSM a lot of feedback on this site. Their response has largely been "Shut up and quit talking about our news" (cease and desist letters).

28 posted on 10/26/2004 2:13:01 PM PDT by weegee (George Soros has probably spent more on this election that many rock stars make in a year.)
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To: weegee
When the CBD forged document scandal broke it struck me that had this happened with an entity other than the BIG BUSINESS of the MSM, the MSM would have crucified anyone and everyone connected to it.

The MSM hides behind the protections of the Constitution and refuses to come out from behind their bunkers to be held accountable for their deliberate lies or slanders.

The consequences of that intractable position is loss of readership, viewer-ship and to them, most importantly, influence.

As you say, entertainment and news on demand means that the impact of their agenda driven bias is mitigated by consumer choice.
29 posted on 10/26/2004 2:44:13 PM PDT by BlessedByLiberty (Respectfully submitted,)
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To: BlessedByLiberty
As you say, entertainment and news on demand means that the impact of their agenda driven bias is mitigated by consumer choice.

We are largely creatures of habit. The consumer culture knows this. They seek to get brand loyalty early.

They want to get people into a "daily routine" of consuming news with breakfast, after work, etc.

The pundits are not happy that young people largely do not read the newspaper or watch the national/local evening news.

30 posted on 10/26/2004 2:50:17 PM PDT by weegee (George Soros has probably spent more on this election that many rock stars make in a year.)
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To: weegee
Interesting observation about young people. We have four young people (20-24 2 dems/2pubbies) in the family and they have all voted (absentee) for President Bush. One is required by a prof to subscribe to the NYSlimes.

Most of their info comes from the Internet, FOX other cable shows and radio talk shows. For them there is no MSM - they surf, jam the radio buttons and should they be inclined watch FOX CNN. (Even the liberal kid doesn't watch much MSNBC!)

IMHO, to get brand loyalty for news will be almost impossible as today's kids are more mobile and more likely to shrug their shoulders and jam the button or surf to another site.
31 posted on 10/26/2004 3:09:52 PM PDT by BlessedByLiberty (Respectfully submitted,)
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ping!

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32 posted on 10/26/2004 4:46:42 PM PDT by nutmeg ("The DemocRATic party...has been hijacked by a confederacy of gangsters..." - Pat Caddell, 11/27/00)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

The Man has it squarely defined in that book. If We The People do not soon awaken and reject the socialist/liberal sickness of the democrap party, America will be a thing of the past, under a blue flag, riddled with murderous attacks by the revived terrorists protected by feckless democrat foreign policies.


33 posted on 10/26/2004 5:59:08 PM PDT by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote life support for others.)
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Tony Snow on O'Reilly said that the Democrats are quietly pulling out of Florida, moving resources to other states, maybe Ohio and Michigan....
34 posted on 10/26/2004 7:54:58 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (A Proud member of Free Republic ~~The New Face of the Fourth Estate since 1996.)
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i am awaiting the delivery of my book, plan to read it very first thing after it arrives...

DH was very convincing when I saw him on C-SPAN .


35 posted on 10/26/2004 8:01:41 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (A Proud member of Free Republic ~~The New Face of the Fourth Estate since 1996.)
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Thanks for the ping!


36 posted on 10/26/2004 9:06:58 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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Final National Presidential Poll Results, 1936-2000

National Council on Public Polls - Error Measure
2000-Preliminary

Gore Bush Nader Un- decided Other Gore- Bush Margin Error
Poll - Elect
Candidate
Error
Election Result 48% 48% 3%   1% 0%    
Zogby 48% 46% 5% 0% 1% 2% 2% 1.0%
CBS 45% 44% 4% 5% 2% 1% 1% 0.5%
Harris (Phone) 47% 47% 5% 0% 1% 0% 0% 0.0%
Gallup/CNN/USA Today 46% 48% 4% 0% 2% -2% 2% 1.0%
Pew Research 47% 49% 4% 0% 0% -2% 2% 1.0%
IBD/CSM/Tipp 46% 48% 4% 0% 2% -2% 2% 1.0%
ICR/Politics Now 44% 46% 7% 1% 2% -2% 2% 1.0%
NBC/WSJ 44% 47% 3% 4% 2% -3% 3% 1.5%
ABC/WashPost 45% 48% 3% 3% 1% -3% 3% 1.5%
Battleground 45% 50% 4% 0% 1% -5% 5% 2.5%
          AvgError 2.2% 1.1%
Alternative Methods                
Harris Interactive 47% 47% 4% 0% 2% 0% 0% 0.0%
Rasmussen 49% 40% 4%   9% 9% 4.5%

37 posted on 10/27/2004 4:49:49 AM PDT by RottiBiz
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