Posted on 10/25/2004 4:29:44 PM PDT by Tuttle
I win.
Are you really advocating deporting anyone who doesn't agree with you and might not have been born within the Continental US? Well, at least you haven't suggested public executions . . . yet.
You won what...the doom&gloom/one issue of the day award?
I'm a legal immigrant. I've been here for 4 years, after waiting another 11 in order to enter legally. I'm a conservative.
And you have your head firmly stuck up your ass!!!
Conservatism to me means adhering to the limits on government contained in the constitution. If that is not what you believe conservatism to be than we will simply have to disagree.
While I admire the President's focus on defense and on tax cuts his reluctance to take on, or even embrace, government spending is disconcerting. Mr Bush does not seem to regard government as the problem as Mr Reagan did. He doesn't seem to mind a growing federal government he just wants it to grow slower than the liberals do. That is boiling the frog.
I never made mention of Jim's views on the President but rather that he has said he views electing Republicans to be more important that standing firm for conservatism.
That's an awfully limited definition of "conservatism",you posted as an answer and personal attacks on mine own Conservatism added at the end,is still an insult/flame,dear.Perhaps it is you,who isn't quite on the same page,as most people,including Jim,as to what conservatism is.:-)
As to frogs....that hackneyed expression,even in part,is overused here,by people who've done less than nothing to stop that boil,for decades.Wanna try this again? LOL
Ahhhhhhhhhhh...but we WERE talking about this president,not about some amorphous "others"! :-)
I know exactly what Mr Reagan did during his administration with a democratic majority in the House and a GOP Senate for only part of his term. He got the ball rolling. He expected others to pick up where he left off. Newt ran with the ball for a while, who is the standard bearer now? Mixed mataphor but you get the point.
He talked the talk,but when it came to walking the walk,President Bush has managed to do far more than Reagan did,whilst fighting a world wide war on terrorism to boot.
Reagan had to fight a cold war. Maybe you have forgotten. :)In order to do so he had to horse trade with the Democrats. Did he get everything he wanted? Of course not. Do you think he believed in cutting government more? As you said he certainly talked the talk. Does the current president talk the talk? Do you think he really believes in smaller government? I'd like it to be so but I just haven't seen the evidence. Show me the evidence and change my mind.
That's an awfully limited definition of "conservatism",you posted as an answer and personal attacks on mine own Conservatism added at the end,is still an insult/flame,dear.
Would you please explain how I attacked your conservatism? I politely said that we may simply disagree with what conservatism means.
As to frogs....that hackneyed expression,even in part,is overused here,by people who've done less than nothing to stop that boil,for decades.
What would you have me do????
He's dead, Jim.
The Cold War was quite different from actual attacks on American soil.Having lived through both,I think that Reagan had the easier time of it,but no,I am NOT denigrating what Reagan did or said.I'm just saying that both presidents were/are conservatives.And President Bush has done many more conservative things,than Reagan did in his first term.
Please don't use Newtie as an exemplar.He was very good,for a while,but ended up being spineless and a caver. I used to really like him,but truth be told,he also harmed the Conservative movement,in the end.
Lest you forget,though President Bush supposedly has a GOP majority in the Senate,it really isn't one and Frist is one of THE all time WORST majority leaders of all time.
Who is the Conservative standard bearer? PRESIDENT BUSH;THAT'S WHO!
You want "evidence"? Again,I suggest that you read the very long list,compiled by a few FREEPERS,on his accomplishments;actual accomplishments,not just words.
What would I have had YOU do? Why fight it all,as I did and still do! At just 23,I debated and completely shattered a RED DIAPER BABY's world view,in the belly of the beast...Greenwich Village. I FREEPED,solo,long before there was such a term or this site.I wrangled against hippies/anti-war protesters in the streets,and I've tirelessly given time,money,and effort to help elect Conservatives for almost my entire life.I've also raised a CONSERVATIVE child,who is now married to a Conservative and they'll produce Conservative kiddos.There's lots of things we all can do,to stop the frog effect.
I don't support,with money,any lefties. Do you? Even my doctors and dentists and the man who fixes my appliances,when the break,are Conservatives,and I don't go to the movies,nor buy books written by liberals.
I drive my wife CRAZY with this stuff. Try doing business in Vermont without dealing with lefties. Not so easy. As to your FReeping in the Village I can certainly feel for you as I wage my personal war against leftism every day here behind the Maple Curtain.
When I first joined FR I could have an argument on the nature of conservatism or the meaning of the "neccesary and proper clause" or some other such thing all of the time. Now it seems to me like this place has become to much of a cheering section for the GOP.
Remember the Buchananites and the McCainites on here? They did not win the debates on here because their ideas were wrong. Doesn't it help our cause by rounding out our ideas by having these debates? That was really my point in my original post even if I put it ineloquently.
So thanks for the debate, hopefully Jim won't boot me. LOL!
"Israel-Palestine: All our terrorism problems stem from this support and no amount of democracy in the Mideast will change this."
Then what about terrorism in Russia, Kosovo, Spain, Pakistan, India, Indonesia, Philippines, Sudan, etc.?
None of those places where muslims commit terror have anything to do with Israel/palestinian issue.
Those locales prove islam as an institution is hellbent to move as far as allowed, having no tie to the issue of Israel's existence or borders.
These "true" conservatives are Neville Chamberlain revisited.
Damn frightful kitty!
My husband is as big a Conservative as I am,so I get no quibbles at home.:-)
I've been a member of FR for two years longer than you and three,if you count my just lurking time.It takes a whole lot more,than what you posted,to get my abuse button finger "itchy".I think that everyone's nerves are just a bit frayed now,due to the troll infestation and our wish for this election to be over with.
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