My thanks to BulletBobCo for the concept of this
pic and to Conspiracy Guy for the captions!
Posted on 10/23/2004 1:31:33 PM PDT by Rome2000
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I suspect that kerry blackmailed McCain into defending him as a war hero. These guys know where the bodies are buried. Literally. They worked together on selling out the POW-MIAs. And if kerry has some of hillary's FBI files, he may know something about McCain's conduct while he was a POW.
McCain literally is directly responsible for the new infusion of cash into rat coffers via the 527's
Maniacs both of them.
There was money to be made in Viet Nam. They worked hard to normalize relations with that country which meant sweeping the POW issue under the table.
There are formal documents available, I may have them still in my file, about this matter.
POW families absolutely HATE Kerry. It's made McCain's tepid criticism of Kerry all the more perplexing.
"Here are details of a few of the specific steps Kerry took to hide evidence about these P.O.W.'s.
* He gave orders to his committee staff to shred crucial intelligence documents. The shredding stopped only when some intelligence staffers staged a protest. Some wrote internal memos calling for a criminal investigation. One such memo—from John F. McCreary, a lawyer and staff intelligence analyst—reported that the committee's chief counsel, J. William Codinha, a longtime Kerry friend, "ridiculed the staff members" and said, "Who's the injured party?" When staffers cited "the 2,494 families of the unaccounted-for U.S. servicemen, among others," the McCreary memo continued, Codinha said: "Who's going to tell them? It's classified."
Kerry defended the shredding by saying the documents weren't originals, only copies—but the staff's fear was that with the destruction of the copies, the information would never get into the public domain, which it didn't. Kerry had promised the staff that all documents acquired and prepared by the committee would be turned over to the National Archives at the committee's expiration. This didn't happen. Both the staff and independent researchers reported that many critical documents were withheld.
* Another protest memo from the staff reported: "An internal Department of Defense Memorandum identifies Frances Zwenig [Kerry's staff director] as the conduit to the Department of Defense for the acquisition of sensitive and restricted information from this Committee . . . lines of investigation have been seriously compromised by leaks" to the Pentagon and "other agencies of the executive branch." It also said the Zwenig leaks were "endangering the lives and livelihood of two witnesses."
* A number of staffers became increasingly upset about Kerry's close relationship with the Department of Defense, which was supposed to be under examination. (Dick Cheney was then defense secretary.) It had become clear that Kerry, Zwenig, and others close to the chairman, such as Senator John McCain of Arizona, a dominant committee member, had gotten cozy with the officials and agencies supposedly being probed for obscuring P.O.W. information over the years. Committee hearings, for example, were being orchestrated to suit the examinees, who were receiving lists of potential questions in advance. Another internal memo from the period, by a staffer who requested anonymity, said: "Speaking for the other investigators, I can say we are sick and tired of this investigation being controlled by those we are supposedly investigating."
* The Kerry investigative technique was equally soft in many other critical ways. He rejected all suggestions that the committee require former presidents Nixon, Ford, Reagan, and George H.W. Bush to testify. All were in the Oval Office during the Vietnam era and its aftermath. They had information critical to the committee, for each president was carefully and regularly briefed by his national security adviser and others about P.O.W. developments. It was a huge issue at that time.
* Kerry also refused to subpoena the Nixon office tapes (yes, the Watergate tapes) from the early months of 1973 when the P.O.W.'s were an intense subject because of the peace talks and the prisoner return that followed. (Nixon had rejected committee requests to provide the tapes voluntarily.) Information had seeped out for years that during the Paris talks and afterward, Nixon had been briefed in detail by then national security advisor Brent Scowcroft and others about the existence of P.O.W.'s whom Hanoi was not admitting to. Nixon, distracted by Watergate, apparently decided it was crucial to get out of the Vietnam mess immediately, even if it cost those lives. Maybe he thought there would be other chances down the road to bring these men back. So he approved the peace treaty and on March 29, 1973, the day the last of the 591 acknowledged prisoners were released in Hanoi, Nixon announced on national television: "All of our American P.O.W.'s are on their way home."
The Kerry committee's final report, issued in January 1993, delivered the ultimate insult to history. The 1,223-page document said there was "no compelling evidence that proves" there is anyone still in captivity. As for the primary investigative question —what happened to the men left behind in 1973—the report conceded only that there is "evidence . . . that indicates the possibility of survival, at least for a small number" of prisoners 31 years ago, after Hanoi released the 591 P.O.W.'s it had admitted to.
With these word games, the committee report buried the issue—and the men."
I think truth ought to out, no matter what unless it is in time of war. This stuff is years old. The thought that those guys were not only abandoned but abandoned again and buried is so terrrible. I am just saying that no power that be wants this out including GWB. His father was mentioned in the article as being among those who talked of a ransom attempt.
McCain, like kerry, is touted as some "war hero" - I never understood why, unless shootdown and capture in and of themselves qualify as heroism. He had landed on the wrong carrier once, and crashed on his own. I am aware of nothing prior to capture being cited as heroism, so his heroism (if real) must have occurred while a prisoner, unless there is something I am unaware of prior to his capture. I also know that the code of conduct was rewritten largely as a result of McCains activities as a POW. To THIS Vietnam Veteran, McCain is no more heroic and honorable than kerry.
Here is some background info:
John McCain: The Manchurian Candidate
http://www.usvetdsp.com/mccainpic.htm
Why McCain defends Kerry
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=39892
U.S. Sen. John McCain is no War Hero
http://www.namvets.com/Reading/john_mccain_is_no_war_hero.htm
A Presidential commission was appointed after the Vietnam War, in 1976, to reevaluate the code of 1955. After a study, the commission recommended a subtle revision to Article V which, in its original form, stated: "When questioned, should I become a prisoner of war, I am bound to only give name, rank, service number, and date of birth. I will evade answering further questions to the utmost of my ability. I will make no oral or written statements disloyal to my country and its allies or harmful to their cause." President Carter ordered the revision in 1977. The word "bound" was changed to "required" and the word "only" was deleted.
http://www.usvetdsp.com/mcianhro.htm
Meet John McCain:
He was shot down over Vietnam and held as a Prisoner of War for 5-1/2 years.
His then wife was a member of the National League of Families and she fought to make sure that John McCain came home.
John McCain claims that he was "broken" by the Vietnamese, yet he was accorded Soviet Surgeons to tend his wounds received in the shoot down of his aircraft, something not accorded other PoWs.
He was shot down 26 October 1967, and by 9 November 1967 he was giving interviews to foreign correspondents providing information on his prior command, cassualties and tactics in direct violation of the Code of Conduct.
He was one of the lucky PoWs that came home.
Do you think that is why Bush/Cheney hasn't used any of Kerry's Vietnam history against him. I can understand the in country service since Bush and Cheney didn't fight but the protests, Winter Soldier stuff and the Senate Hearings?
They are afraid of stuff that Kerry has against Cheneyand or Bush 41? We all know Kerry would blackmail anyone to gain power but if he "supposedly" shredded all of the evidence, what does he have that couldn't hurt him but would hurt others?
Also, if you read it all, Tom Daschle was part of the committee that Kerry and McCain were on. That is another one that needs to be taken down.
who knows/ I just think noone wants to open that can of worms. When you think about it, if the sightings, pics, etc in the article were going on for years, then for years nobody in government would deal with it. Sickening. Sort of like slavery going on for almost a hundred years and nobody really confronting it. Pragmatic bunch our leaders I guess.
My thanks to BulletBobCo for the concept of this
pic and to Conspiracy Guy for the captions!
Continuation of post 89:
He was one of the lucky PoWs that came home.
The Communist Vietnamese erected a bust of John McCain inside Vietnam. His defenders say that it is in tribute to the PAVN gunners that shot him down. When was the last time you visited a memorial to the American Military where there was a bust of the enemy?
In the May 14, 1973 edition of U.S. News & World Report, under the byline of "Inside Story, How The POW's Fought Back," the author details how John McCain told the guard to "Call the Officer" and then he told the officer, 'The Bug,' " a psychotic torturer, one of the worst fiends we had to deal with." "Take me to the hospital and I will give you military information." The author of this article? John McCain!
Click here for the exact text from the article. (Make sure you hit your browsers back button)
Yet in the interview that he gave on 9 Nov 1967 to VNA International, he claims that when he bailed out and landed in the lake, people grabbed him out of the lake and took him to the hospital.
He stayed in the Navy to retire at the rank of captain.
He repaid his wife's loyalty by divorcing her when she became an invalid, and she still remains loyal! We have to wonder if she and Mary Jo Buttafuoco are friends.
He went on to become a United States Congressmen and then a United States Senator
He has consistently been an advocate of lenient treatment of Vietnam, even though their Prime Minister is responsible for the executions of at least three American PoWs during the war.
While a member of the Senate Select Committee on PoW/MIA Affairs (1991-1993) he consistently referred to PoW/MIA Family Members and PoW/MIA Activists as whiners and vultures and the lunatic fringe.
While a member of the Senate Select Committee on PoW/MIA Affairs, he reduced a family member, a sister of a missing serviceman, who had come to testify before the Committee to tears berating her for holding on to false hope and being a cog in the wheel of progress.
After this incident, also testifying before the Senate Select Committee was the man McCain claims was responsible for his own torture, McCains interrogator, "The Bug". The moment of confrontation came and McCain rose from his seat and walked from the podium onto the floor of the chamber to stand face to face with the man who was responsible for torturing Prisoners of War. McCain grabbed the man and embraced him.
Although the Senate Select Committee concluded that we left men behind, McCain crossed party lines to help lead the charge toward lifting the embargo and toward normalizing with Vietnam.
He disregarded testimony from professional analysts that stated that Vietnam was not cooperating and he often berated their analysis.
He ignored a letter drafted by one of the most brutally tortured PoWs, Capt. Eugene "Red" McDaniel and co-signed by FIFTY former PoWs which asked that we not lift the embargo and not normalize relations and McCain pushed for the lifting of the embargo and toward normalization.
Although only 8 remains were repatriated between the time the embargo was lifted to the time that Clinton signed the normalization order, McCain did all the talk shows using his status as a former PoW to push normalization down the throats of the American Public.
When the Missing Service Personnel Act of 1996 came on the Senate Floor for debate, Senator McCain called this bill "un-necessary" and "burdensome" even though the MSPA was sponsored by the then majority leader and the man who had considered asking John McCain to run with him, Sen. Bob Dole.
McCain has successfully mounted an attack, ammending the MSPA by removing criminal liability and several articles of the MSPA that are important to PoW/MIA Family Memebers.
McCain stated his reason for ammending the MSPA of 1996 is because ". . .General's do not have time to worry about Sergeants or Lieutenants."
He denied knowledge of his own ammendment when he was approached by family member Carol Hrdlicka, who ended up chasing him into the Senate Elevator screaming at him that he was a "Traitor!" He pushed passed several other family members, actually knocking one of them to the floor!
Although President Clinton signed into Law a bill that called for the Department of Defense to give to Congress a comprehensive review of all MIAs on a case-by-case analysis, and although the Department of Defense has been in flagrant disregard of that law, Senator McCain makes excuses for the bureaucrats instead of demanding answers on behalf of the family members.
Let's not forget that he was one of the Keating Five.
At the recent senate hearing on the confirmation of an US Envoy to Vietnam, he greeted a family member by referring to him as, "Scumbag!", while that family member was seated next to the female head of a national PoW/MIA family organization. Talk about conduct unbecoming. . .
He is willing to disregard how the majority of family members and virtually all of the veterans organizations feel about normalizing with Communist Vietnam in favor of those businesses that see Vietnam as a "viable market."
He is at it again, writing a "Dear Colleague" letter asking fellow Senator's not to co-sponsor Senate Bill 755 which would restore the provisions to the MSPA that he removed. At the time he wrote his Dear Colleague letter, there were only 12 co-sponsor's of S 755. So our question is why? Why did he feel compelled to write this letter?
He states that he speaks for the families and yet he disregards everything requested of him by the very families that he claims to represent.
He had the unmitigated gall to speak at PoW/MIA Recognition Day cermonies in Washington DC September 19, 1997 although both the National Alliance of Families and the Korea-Cold War Association requested that he be replaced with a speaker more sympathetic to the families.
To View What these two organizations had to say, click on their names.
National Alliance of Families
Korea-Cold War Association
Click here for some REVEALING information on McCain.
John McCain is incapable of loyalty. He has demonstrated it time and again. He demonstrated it when he adandoned the woman who helped make sure he would be released.
He demonstrated it when he berated a family member and then hugged the man responsible for the torture of McCain and the brutal torture McCain's fellow Prisoners of War.
He demonstrated it by pushing the lifting of the embargo and normalization disregarding the fact that the Vietnamese have not been forthcoming with their war time records to help bring the answers as to what happened to the PoWs that were in their custody.
He demonstrated it when he decided that the desires of big business outwieghed the only recourse that Family members had--the only carrot to hold out to the Vietnamese.
He demonstrated it when he stifled the MSPA on the floor of the Senate even though it was sponsored by his own party and the man who may ask him to be part of the Cabinet.
He demonstrated it by introducing an ammendment to scuttle the effectiveness of this very same bill.
John McCain does not care if there is even one American left alive and being held against his/her will. McCain does the bidding of big business and big business comes before what he has to understand is a living hell.
Could it be that the Vietnamese have a bust of John McCain in Vietnam not as a tribute to the PAVN gunners that shot him down, but to a "progressive thinker"?
See what the Vietnamese termed as Progressive Thinkers while discussing the numbers of PoWs that they held in 1972.
See the bio on this Republican's good Friend, Democrat John Kerry
http://ojc.org/powforum/capital/mccain/mccain.htm
In the Senate debate itself, Kerry, rather than embarass Vietnam by demanding the truth, launched a highly publicized diversionary investigation of the POW/MIA families and activists, who were demanding an honest accounting.
Kerry labeled them "professional malcontents, conspiracy mongers, con artists, and dime-store Rambos" who were only involved in the POW/MIA issue for money. Pictured left, Sen. John Kerry in Hanoi seated under a bust of Communist Vietnam's deceased leader, Ho Chi Minh.
I bet you have collected a lot of material haven't you. Its funny but my husband had pretty much put Vietnam behind him, but Kerry's nomination and more importantly, his treatment of the SBVTs and POWS, has brought up an anger he didn't realize he still had. He said it is a shame that I feel more anger towards a fellow US veteran at this time than the "enemy". He then said, "McCain too, huh, well its a shame for the SBVTs,POWs, and familys of POW/MIAs.
...he was not so courageous more than two decades later, when he covered up voluminous evidence that a significant number of live American prisoners?perhaps hundreds?were never acknowledged or returned after the war-ending treaty was signed in January 1973...
Let's not forget the other manchurian candidate John McCain's role in this.
Newsmax has an bit on this in an article Why Families Say Kerry Betrayed POWs and MIAs
And also the Wash Times has a piece about the "rush" to normalize Vietnamese/US relations by sKerry and McCain.Come back Kerry?
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