Posted on 10/22/2004 7:58:15 PM PDT by Horatio Gates
A group of parents has accused a teacher at Fairdale Elementary School of forcing their sons to go into the classroom bathroom and take deep breaths because there was urine on and around the toilet. "She wanted them to see how bad it smelled," said parent Shelley Howerton.
Howerton and other parents claim the unidentified teacher violated the boys' rights. Ten parents and three children, including Howerton and her son Atrayo, protested outside the school on Thursday.
"This made me sick," said parent Jamie Harvey.
Atrayo said he was embarrassed by the alleged incident.
School officials said the parents' allegation is being investigated.
"We're going to do what's best for these young children," said Miller Hall, Raleigh County director of pupil services. "This is an issue we are going to investigate, but right now it's all hearsay."
"Some kids have said it didn't happen. ... We have to get evidence, talk to witnesses and follow due process. Then we have to look at the policy, and if there was any wrongdoing, we will deal with it accordingly. ... But (the teacher is) innocent until proven guilty."
Obviously you have never had to manage a classroom. Teaching goes well beyond academic subjects. Basically, if you're not a teacher, you really don't know what you're talking about.
I dunno. Kids in my eighth grade school used to urinate on the radiators to keep the teachers out, open the windows and smoke cigarettes. I doubt this was anywhere near that stench.
I read an article about the students in Japan cleaning their schools, and when asked why they do that,by a western reporter, he was told:
"This is where they receive their education, and they should treat this building with the same respect that they give to their homes."
I thought it made a lot of sense.
My guess is that these kids had no respect, were pissing on and around the toilet, and were probably laughing about it when the teacher caught them. They probably thought it was too funny until they were caught and held accountable.
That's the problem with the education system these days - people are too afraid to hold students accountable for their misbehavior, lest parent groups get angry and protest.
I think the teacher took the right action, unless the reaction was stronger than what was reported.
Anyone who does that to my child will drink from those same filthy toilets while I flush their battered skull in it.
We used fox lure. Nasty stuff.
So, what you're saying is that no one here has a right to state an opinion on teachers, schools, or anything doing with the educational system because we're not teachers?
That's a bit arrogant.
apparently, they are not learning proper behavior at home...
My boys used to have "pee fights" when they were little. That's when they started cleaning the bathroom themselves.
Don't you realise you're damaging their self-esteem?
Those poor children may be brain damaged for life.
Does the article say this?
Junior and senior years were at a private school (by choice) and juniors and seniors were allowed to smoke in designated areas. Civilization!
Now, a cigarette provokes as much reaction as a live grenade, but all sorts of other crap we NEVER would have tolerated is no biggie.
That makes sense to me. Let them clean up their own mess.
Someone must have done it last year too, then, cause I think some of my students were brain damaged already, and I never even got the chance to be the one to do it!
Seriously, some of these kids... actually, I don't think they're brain damaged, but they are so far sunk in their own little world that they don't even hear me talking. I know I'm the distorted wa-wa-wa voice in their little Charlie Brown heads. It's depressing.
I would have got back to you sooner but for some reason I had to run to the bathroom. I'm guessing it was more than just a routine sniff. I can't see myself protesting over a sniff. Then again some people are overly sensitive.
I would imagine it is. I suppose you don't get any help from the parents?
Man, you said it. I'm at an inner-city middle school in L.A. It's my first year and I spend a lot of time looking about myself and thinking "I knew I'd go to Hell, but I thought I'd have to die first."
Classroom management is 70% of my life now. I feel like a guard in a prison for the criminally insane, except that they're short and are obsessed with bubble gum and some rapper named Chingy.
After four months (we're a year-round school) I've come to the conclusion that if I keep them off the streets from 7:25-3:20, and make sure they don't injure each other, I did my job. And if they learn a few new writing tips, update their spelling, get one more example of an adult who doesn't make sex jokes and throw litter on the ground... all the better. I'm a glorified baby-sitter with a red pen. It's a real shock.
We have three sons. Never knew of any 'pee fighting'. It may have gone on, but we were never absentee parents. My take on such behavior would be this; The first time may merit a warning depending on the attitude of the guilty parties; With a second occurrence, the belt comes off and a measured response by a calm parent is delivered. Very rarely is the same behavior ever seen again.
You sound like a complete raving lunatic who has no idea about teaching, classroom management, or instilling group discipline.You'd probably protest if kids were asked to pick up under their desks or walk in a line to class.
Don't you dare correct my precious Johnny!
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